Surely the alternate timeline begins before Nero arrives?

[Captain Mike]

Maybe Delta Vega isn't a planet given it's proximity to Vulcan, just a moon that exists in the NuTimeline but didn't exist in the Prime Universe. So in the Prime Universe there's a Vulcan with no moon, and in the NuTimeline there's a moon with no Vulcan.

The "prime" Vulcan can't even decide if it's got moons, a sister planet with moons ("Yesteryear", the first two versions of TMP, all the old novels and manuals) or if it's got no moons or sister planet at all (TOS, TNG).

Saying Delta Vega is proof of a totally seperate timeline (which contradicts the movie, which says "back in time" and "new chain of incidents, beginning with the attack on the USS Kelvin") is hardly definitive.

On the contrary, it was settled with the release of the Director's Edition of TMP. Here is the link:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vulcan_(planet)

So hence "throwing" a planetary reference to something that is obviously not supposed to be there is utter BS.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Well, if you define "settled" as "the latest one doesn't have it", then surely if the Director's Cut takes precedence over the original version of TMP, that means the even-more-modern STXI takes precedence over that, too.

 

[Set Harth]

Maybe Delta Vega isn't a planet given it's proximity to Vulcan, just a moon that exists in the NuTimeline but didn't exist in the Prime Universe.

The changes in the timeline due to Nero don't have the power to create a previously nonexistent moon.

 

[SonicRanger]

It's possible that, if Nero and Spock could enter the black hole/wormhole and be sent to different times and places throughout history, so too could all of the debris from Romulus or other planets and stars destroyed by the shockwave. Bits of planets and stars could have been scattered throughout the history of the universe, causing some pretty serious changes throughout time.

 

[Gojira]

Reading Okuda's remarks about possible time line incursions in the back of Chronolgy of the Future demonstrates that there have possibly been many times that the Trek time line has been changed to the point who knows what the original unaltered time line really is?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Reading Okuda's remarks about possible time line incursions in the back of Chronolgy of the Future demonstrates that there have possibly been many times that the Trek time line has been changed to the point who knows what the original unaltered time line really is?

Star Trek: Enterprise made that abundantly clear. From that we know that in Daniels' earlier timeline, the colony from "Shockwave" exists, there was no Xindi attack on Earth in the 22nd century and the Delphic Expanse still existed in the 26th century, leading to a Federation/Sphere Builder war featuring the Enterprise-J. The interference of Daniels, Future Guy's minions, the Sphere Builders and the rest of the time war gang essentially created the Prime Trek timeline much like Nero and Spock created STXI's alternate.

 

[shapeshifter]

"Abundantly clear"? Some people still don't get it!

 

[SonicRanger]

... The interference of Daniels, Future Guy's minions, the Sphere Builders and the rest of the time war gang essentially created the Prime Trek timeline...

There really is no way of knowing that. The best argument -- In A Mirror Darkly -- ties one part of a TOS episode to an alternate universe, so it might not hold water. In fact, the Defiant bridge and crew uniforms don't match those seen in TOS, so there might be proof of a timeline change instead.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Gonna play "every single continuity error is it's own universe"? Becasuse that leaves us with one or two universes per episode.

And besides, Riker and Troi played an Enterprise holonovel. Them being old and fat is simply a result of finally seeing them in HD. You should see what Picard really looked like.

 

[SonicRanger]

^Gonna play "every single continuity error is it's own universe"? Becasuse that leaves us with one or two universes per episode.

No, but there's still no proof that the timeline of ENT led to the timeline of TOS and beyond.

The closest thing to proof of your claim is that the "mirror" universe of ENT might be connected to TOS.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Gonna play "every single continuity error is it's own universe"? Becasuse that leaves us with one or two universes per episode.

No, but there's still no proof that the timeline of ENT led to the timeline of TOS and beyond.

The closest thing to proof of your claim is that the "mirror" universe of ENT might be connected to TOS.

By the same token, I could argue that "Best of Both Worlds" part 2 is an alternate universe to part 1, and that something like part 1 happened in part 2's universe but with totally arbitrary differences. Want some proof? Worf's hair changes between Riker saying "Fire" in part 1, and Worf firing in part 2.

Why are both parts of BoBW the same universe? Because the writers and producers intended it - just like the writers and producers of Enterprise intended it as a prequel to TOS, TNG and the rest - and spelled it out in "In a Mirror, Darkly", and "These Are The Voyages".

 

[SonicRanger]

Why are both parts of BoBW the same universe? Because the writers and producers intended it - just like the writers and producers of Enterprise intended it as a prequel to TOS, TNG and the rest - and spelled it out in "In a Mirror, Darkly", and "These Are The Voyages".

It also was purported by the creators to be part of an alternate timeline created by FC. It just depends if you think that FC always happened or if Cochrane and his crew originally did break the warp barrier without help from Picard's crew.

And the whole "Temporal Cold War" was certainly introduced as a way to add suspense that, thanks to meddling from the future, the "past" might not unfold the way is was "supposed to" -- why else make it part of the pilot episode?