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Surely the alternate timeline begins before Nero arrives?

Or we could go with "from Iowa" NOT being equal to "born in Iowa".

That completely works. I never, ever say I'm "from" the city I was born in - I have no memory of having lived there, but lived for twenty years in the place that my parents moved to within a couple of months. The latter is "where I'm from."
 
I always love this reaction from fans of this film whenever someone pokes a hole in it.

It's not my fault that you couldn't enjoy the film for what it was instead of nitpicking insignificant details. I'm just trying to help you enjoy it better.:p
 
I always love this reaction from fans of this film whenever someone pokes a hole in it.

It's not my fault that you couldn't enjoy the film for what it was instead of nitpicking insignificant details. I'm just trying to help you enjoy it better.:p

There's this thing inside my head, called my brain. Whenever I watch this movie it makes my brain hurt. And it isn't just the Star Trek parts that make it hurt... it's the coincidence on top of coincidence that the story is built on and the repetitive scenes we see throughout. Not to mention the plot holes and total lapses in common sense. :lol:

But I did like the cast, which gives me hope that maybe something good will come out of the sequel.
 
There's this thing inside my head, called my brain. Whenever I watch this movie it makes my brain hurt. And it isn't just the Star Trek parts that make it hurt... it's the coincidence on top of coincidence that the story is built on and the repetitive scenes we see throughout. Not to mention the plot holes and total lapses in common sense. :lol:

Well, I can't help your brain. I'm sorry the film was such a hardship for you to agonize through. Maybe you'd be happier with a marathon of TFF, followed by Nemesis?:lol:
 
Well, I can't help that. I'm sorry the film was such a hardship for you to agonize through. Maybe you'd be happier with a marathon of TFF, followed by Nemesis?:lol:

Honestly, their isn't much difference between this film and Nemesis. YMMV.
 
I always love this reaction from fans of this film whenever someone pokes a hole in it.
nitpicking insignificant details. :p
What I don't see is how this movie is different than the other ten. It seem to be perfectly fine to analyize, examine and discusss all the movies except this one in some fans eyes, why?

Okay, we all get it, you personally liked the film, but you seem to extend this liking to the point no one can discuss it without being belittled.
 
What I don't see is how this movie is different than the other ten. It seem to be perfectly fine to analyize, examine and discusss all the movies except this one in some fans eyes, why?

Okay, we all get it, you personally liked the film, but you seem to extend this liking to the point no one can discuss it without being belittled.

I've been asking the same questions since May 2009. ;)
 
What I don't see is how this movie is different than the other ten. It seem to be perfectly fine to analyize, examine and discusss all the movies except this one in some fans eyes, why?

Okay, we all get it, you personally liked the film, but you seem to extend this liking to the point no one can discuss it without being belittled.

I'm sorry, you must have missed it when I said this earlier in this thread:

As far as I'm concerned you can believe whatever you want about just what universe the movie started in. But Orci and Kurtzman state that it's the prime universe at the start of the film, and that's where old Spock is from too. And that's good enough for me, various insignificant nitpickings notwithstanding.

Any sense you have of being personally belittled is your own issue.
 
I can't stand this kind of nitpicking; the Trek movies I don't like, I just don't like on a general level.

All the Trek films seem to entertain me on some level... even Star Trek 2009. I think it's fun to break the films (and TV series) down into what works and what doesn't. YMMV.
 
As far as I'm concerned you can believe whatever you want about just what universe the movie started in. But Orci and Kurtzman state that it's the prime universe at the start of the film, and that's where old Spock is from too. And that's good enough for me, various insignificant nitpickings notwithstanding.

Any sense you have of being personally belittled is your own issue.

Not exactly sure what this proves...
 
I'm saying that I don't care whether or not someone loves or hates the new movie (or any Trek movie, for that matter), and I'm not personally "belittling" anyone if they didn't like it. But like Dennis said, if you're going to nitpick the film to death over silly little things like the name of a planet, be prepared to be called out on it. Because, you know, that's what people do on a Trek BBS. They argue.

But it's nothing personal.
 
^I liked Christopher's To Seek A Newer World Delta Vega rationalization too - but I'm perfectly happy with "It's another planet with the name Delta Vega" - ...

You do realise that energy costs of moving a planet from point A to point B in an imaginery universe, are only about 20% of what they would be in a real universe? ;)


... I am an anal-retentive Star Trek fan, and I didn't give a crap about the planet's name, the brewery engineering room, or any other insignificant detail that people here seem to obsess over ad nauseum.

Its not that easy. You can't just claim to be anally retentive. The writers obviously went parsecs out of their way to give everyone who aspires to that exalted title an opportunity to walk the talk and you are just going to spurn their efforts? :)
 
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^I liked Christopher's To Seek A Newer World Delta Vega rationalization too - but I'm perfectly happy with "It's another planet with the name Delta Vega" - there are so many recycled town and city names on Earth today, it's not hard to imagine similar on a galactic scale in a Federation of 130 member planets and 700 colonies.

Captain: Helmsman, plot a course to Delta Vega!
After a few hours.....
Captain: Helm...I ordered you tp plot a course for Delta Vega! Where the hell are we?!?!?
Helmsman: We are at Delta Vega sir.
Captain: DAMN!! Wrong one Turn the effing ship around and go back to the other one, but obviously we'll be too late! :rolleyes:

It depends how you define "fresh". The story recycled many old Trek staples, but the execution of the film was unlike any prior Star Trek. It was, IMO, a fresh look at Star Trek's universe (and I'm not talking about in-universe universes!), as seen through the eyes of a different creative team. What was old and tired was new and exciting again. YMMV.

Old and tired for some, but on the other hand there is quite a few, that includes myself, that don't think that way.

There's this thing inside my head, called my brain. Whenever I watch this movie it makes my brain hurt. And it isn't just the Star Trek parts that make it hurt... it's the coincidence on top of coincidence that the story is built on and the repetitive scenes we see throughout. Not to mention the plot holes and total lapses in common sense. :lol:

Well, I can't help your brain. I'm sorry the film was such a hardship for you to agonize through. Maybe you'd be happier with a marathon of TFF, followed by Nemesis?:lol:

I would prefer those movies to this drivel....:lol:
 
Maybe Delta Vega isn't a planet given it's proximity to Vulcan, just a moon that exists in the NuTimeline but didn't exist in the Prime Universe. So in the Prime Universe there's a Vulcan with no moon, and in the NuTimeline there's a moon with no Vulcan.
 
Maybe Delta Vega isn't a planet given it's proximity to Vulcan, just a moon that exists in the NuTimeline but didn't exist in the Prime Universe. So in the Prime Universe there's a Vulcan with no moon, and in the NuTimeline there's a moon with no Vulcan.

The "prime" Vulcan can't even decide if it's got moons, a sister planet with moons ("Yesteryear", the first two versions of TMP, all the old novels and manuals) or if it's got no moons or sister planet at all (TOS, TNG).

Saying Delta Vega is proof of a totally seperate timeline (which contradicts the movie, which says "back in time" and "new chain of incidents, beginning with the attack on the USS Kelvin") is hardly definitive.
 
Why couldn't the Vulcan refugees just resettle on nuDelta Vega? I can't imagine the whole thing is an ice planet and the Romulans seem to have little trouble settling a world that had a more moderate climate than their own.
 
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