Supernatural Season 8 news!
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The Leviathans have been a big disappointment-- they were set up as something overwhelmingly Lovecraftian, but have been either in the background or played for laughs. Nevertheless, the individual episodes have been as good as ever and I'm happy to hear there will be another season.
I just hope they can keep Bobby around as a ghost (or something), because killing him off was a big mistake.
I just hope they can keep Bobby around as a ghost (or something), because killing him off was a big mistake.
I for one hated Season 1-2 Sam. I always thought that he was a pretentious younger brother that was always right and could do no wrong, so why do I want to see that again? And when he got into the "Hunting" gig..it was also the Daddy issues he had I didn't like. When they ganked Azazel I think he finally came to a realization of what S & D always say now : "Once a Hunter, ALWAYS a Hunter". After dealing with that lifestyle for at least 3 years just how could he go back to the way he was? Especially when you feel that most of what has happened is your fault?
As for Dean, He never wavered from the lifestyle, and of course there is part of him that is jealous of Sam's college days, and his Daddy issues were more of a sense of getting his approval than adversarial. I don't blame him one bit of how he treats Sam when he did the things he did. I see most of Dean's life growing up and "parenting" Sam, and when he tries to drill it into Sam's head that things are wrong repeatedly, Sam goes behind his back and does it anyway. Wouldn't that resentment build in you after so many times??
And we get it Watcher you don't like the show any more and don't like it now. So why constantly come in these posts and say the same thing time after freakin' time. It is getting as old as you are.
I still enjoy this show, but I admit it is more of a guilty pleasure for me than "must see TV".
My personal gripe is that a show that has been on this long should have an incredible depth of supporting characters that can be called upon from time to time. Every character that I thought I was going to be able to count on in this regard has been killed off over the years.
All I'm left with is Sam and Dean, and that is just not enough to keep me glued to the screen. They have introduced new supporting characters, but I don't bother paying attention when I know that they won't be staying around for long.
This is just my opinion, but I think the powers that be took a grave mis-step with killing off so many interesting characters.
My personal gripe is that a show that has been on this long should have an incredible depth of supporting characters that can be called upon from time to time. Every character that I thought I was going to be able to count on in this regard has been killed off over the years.
All I'm left with is Sam and Dean, and that is just not enough to keep me glued to the screen. They have introduced new supporting characters, but I don't bother paying attention when I know that they won't be staying around for long.
This is just my opinion, but I think the powers that be took a grave mis-step with killing off so many interesting characters.
of course they have. Their universe is supposed to be brutal. If those supporting characters still lived, then how could their profession be brutal.
Yes SPN kills characters and kills popular characters.
It should.
How else do you tell stories where they have grief and lose, and hopelessness. You don't have that by people living left and right.
You can't, thats why with monsters of the week, teh real emotional investment is in the two leads.
But when you are able to showcase John Dying, or Jo & Ellen dying it grabs you. It has power.
Think about Abandon All Hope (one of my favorite episodes of Season 5), and if it didn't feature that great Mother/ Daughter scene of two characters we know, the whole emotional impact of the episodes would have been dulled.
When John died, not only did we get another first rate episode, but it had impact far beyond just that one episode.
When Bobby Died (though the episode wasn't the caliber of the last two I mentioned), the characters still felt that lose. And they continue to still feel it.
you get that by people who are connected to your cast and whom you have formed an attachment with dying. You can't get that with random characters.
And not only do we have the great heroic death, but to counter that you need the unexpected death. the death out of the blue.
Not only because thats how life actually works, but to great a bit of mystery about an episode and what to expect from other episodes.
And its not like the shows just suddenly turned into a blood bath. From the early days of the show, you got to see that yeah this show does take its universe seriously. That the writers are going to bring in people that you are going to care about, and yeah there is a better then 50% chance that character will die.
Most shows don't have the balls to actually be that faithful to the universe they are working in.
Yes SPN kills characters and kills popular characters.
It should.
How else do you tell stories where they have grief and lose, and hopelessness. You don't have that by people living left and right.
You can't, thats why with monsters of the week, teh real emotional investment is in the two leads.
But when you are able to showcase John Dying, or Jo & Ellen dying it grabs you. It has power.
Think about Abandon All Hope (one of my favorite episodes of Season 5), and if it didn't feature that great Mother/ Daughter scene of two characters we know, the whole emotional impact of the episodes would have been dulled.
When John died, not only did we get another first rate episode, but it had impact far beyond just that one episode.
When Bobby Died (though the episode wasn't the caliber of the last two I mentioned), the characters still felt that lose. And they continue to still feel it.
you get that by people who are connected to your cast and whom you have formed an attachment with dying. You can't get that with random characters.
And not only do we have the great heroic death, but to counter that you need the unexpected death. the death out of the blue.
Not only because thats how life actually works, but to great a bit of mystery about an episode and what to expect from other episodes.
And its not like the shows just suddenly turned into a blood bath. From the early days of the show, you got to see that yeah this show does take its universe seriously. That the writers are going to bring in people that you are going to care about, and yeah there is a better then 50% chance that character will die.
Most shows don't have the balls to actually be that faithful to the universe they are working in.
Sorry
AlicaD426
But Season one Sam is the same character. Its just he has now lived a set of different experiences that have shaped how he sees and reacts to the universe.
And how is not the Sam of Season 4 and 5 different then Season 1 and 2.
Still highly passionate and head strong. Willing to through his life away for vengeance, the character even in season one that was said to be more John like. The one that if he hunted would be obsessive about it.
The character who wanted forever to control his own fate, and to rally against what others tell him to do.
Seriously what is so different about seasons 4 and 5 then seasons 1 and 2? In regards to the character of Sam.
AlicaD426
But Season one Sam is the same character. Its just he has now lived a set of different experiences that have shaped how he sees and reacts to the universe.
And how is not the Sam of Season 4 and 5 different then Season 1 and 2.
Still highly passionate and head strong. Willing to through his life away for vengeance, the character even in season one that was said to be more John like. The one that if he hunted would be obsessive about it.
The character who wanted forever to control his own fate, and to rally against what others tell him to do.
Seriously what is so different about seasons 4 and 5 then seasons 1 and 2? In regards to the character of Sam.
For myself I do think the show isn't at its best. But I felt that way about all but one season. And each seasons still has in general the same number of episodes I actively dislike.
The real difference for me about season 7 (in particular) is I don't care for the Leviathans. I am not emotionally connected to them, in the way that any other season arc has attracted me. And I think thats because the Leviathans aren't directly tied to Sam and Dead like all other season arcs have been.
The only other thing is that I find the show doesn't hit it out of the part as much as it used to. I used to generally get 2 to 4 episodes I would call great, great episodes of tv, as opposed to simply really good and good.
So far this season I don't think any episode has been a great episode. A couple of been close. But so far none have hit it out of the park.
Well from strictly a ratings point of view, SPN has had the smallest year to year declines during its run on the CW then any show thats ever aired on the CW.
But unlike some shows (Smallville which hit 9 million plus, and Top Model 8 million) this show has never reached a huge (for the WB or CW) size audience.
But it on Friday a night when shows are expected to perform significantly below average is the CW number two show in adults 18-49 and total viewers.
If it keeps dropping at a lower rate then the rest of the CW, it should get a 9th year. a 10th would meen not only did the other current shows kept dropping and dropping harder, but that its shows that will start next year also failed to connect with an audience (which is fairly typical for the CW, but they are supposed to be programming more aggressively this coming year).