Spoilers Supernatural season 14

[tnpir4002]

Don't worry though I am sure their is some good slash fiction being worked on right now where Dean and Sam meet again where Shadows never fall.

1. Don't you mean "there"?
2. "Where Shadows never fall"...huh?

They did show a clip of that lifeform in the big empthy so I can see it teaming up with Satan to once again return. Maybe Misha Collins though will get to play Satan because of it.

Again...huh? Why would it "team up" with Lucifer? And why would Misha Collins play Lucifer again when Pellegrino hasn't gone anywhere? I could see Lucifer annoying the cosmic entity into sending him back to Earth, assuming something wakes him up, but I can't think of any reason why the entity would need or want to "team up" with him to do anything.

Also like Sam's beard. Way better looking than a certain Vulcan friend of ours.

Again...huh? What "Vulcan friend" are you referring to?

I do think we are going to have a Angel heavy season because the credit sequence had angel wings on it. I forget though where Rowena and Alt-Charlie is suppose to be.

...did you even see season 13? There's a very obvious reason this year's title card has archangel wings. (And I thought the glimpse of "angel vision" we got in 14x01 was a really nice reference to that.) There's no "I think" involved.

As for where Apocalypse Bobby and Apocalypse Charlie are, they were last seen in the lead-up to the s13 finale, and were mentioned in the finale as "road tripping through the Southwest."

 

[tnpir4002]

Well, at least one theory of mine is proven...Michael is using his(?) grace to try and make superpowered vampires.

 

[auntiehill]

...but settled for werewolves. Super - werewolves...er, OK.

I'm going to guess that Michael isn't gone for long.

Very sad ending for Nick... and, um, his neighbor. So, did Lucifer have Nick's family killed so he would say yes, or was it one of the total-dick angels who wanted the Apocalypse to happen?

 

[tnpir4002]

^ I'm guessing the latter, but with demons instead of angels. They seemed to be more about planning the first apocalypse, while the angels didn't really do much until after it had already started. It makes sense, they'd have to know Sam was his true vessel, but to me it stands to reason they'd know Nick might be a suitable in-the-meantime replacement. I could easily see them arranging it.

(Sidebar: am I the only one who fully expected Apocalypse Michael to visit Nick at the end of the show tonight? Would've been interesting to see Nick's reaction to being approached by yet another archangel with the same request. The question still begs, why would Apocalypse Michael abandon his true vessel so quickly? Hopefully it's not just another hokey contrivance.)

Unfortunately I think we're being set up rather transparently for another so-called plot twist with the whole business of Lucifer leaving residual influence on Nick...as in Michael doing the same thing to Dean. Please, not another Mark of Cain situation.

On the plus side, it seems to me like we're being set up to keep a de-powered Jack for a good while, what with that business about his grace taking between a month and a century to regenerate. Sounds like they're going to let him slowly power back up, but it'll be a while before we see him at full power again, if ever. (Still waiting for them to reverse the whole Second Fall from Heaven thing and give the angels their wings back.)

Shocker of the night--the moment when Michael smote (smited?) Vampire Girl without even looking at her. I know archangels are "fierce and absolute," but it's still fascinating to me to see just how much more powerful they are than regular angels.

 

[auntiehill]

With all of alt-Michael's talk about taking over God's job, I keep hoping Chuck will show up, like "Excuse me?!" * zap*

 

[Aragorn]

Does S stand for Supernatural or status quo?

Any chance Nick killed his own family? That's what it felt like they were going at with the neighbor recanting and then Nick using the hammer.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Yeah, Nick killing his neighbor with a hammer is a giant neon sign from the writers saying "Nick killed his family!". I also think they're setting up Nick to be a vessel for Michael. That's probably why they kept Mark Pellegrino around. After Lucifer was killed there was no real reason to keep him on.

 

[Farscape One]

It does look like Nick was the one who killed his family, but I also wonder if Michael has inhabited Nick already, and that moment we saw him with the hammer he was Michael just enjoying the moment.

I wonder why Michael was making those souped monsters. An odd thought... could he be transferring little parts of his consciousness into each of those creatures, sort of like how on BABYLON 5 Kosh would have pieces of himself in Sheridan and Lyta?

 

[Snick27]

...but settled for werewolves. Super - werewolves...er, OK.

I'm going to guess that Michael isn't gone for long.

Very sad ending for Nick... and, um, his neighbor. So, did Lucifer have Nick's family killed so he would say yes, or was it one of the total-dick angels who wanted the Apocalypse to happen?

I took it as Nick actually did the killing of his family.

 

[auntiehill]

Ah. I suppose it's possible that he was so psychotic that he killed his family and then formed some delusion that someone else did it--hence the conversation with his dead wife/Lucifer about God allowing some stranger to come into the house and murder his wife and baby. It could be a coping mechanism to keep him from facing what he did.

 

[Snaploud]

So, does Michael need Dean's permission to return to the Dean-suit, or does he now have a permanent pass?

 

[Farscape One]

That is one thing that bothered me... I thought once a person says no, that angel has to leave. Like when Gadreel left Sam.

Unless the rules are a little different for archangels... or maybe because this Michael is from a different universe.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm thinking Michael inhabited one of the super Werewolves he created. If that is even possible.

As for nick, I'm thinking Michael killed his family after taking possession of him, and it's the after effect of havinng Michael's memories, and being possessed for so long that hes subconsciously acting out some of the impulses, like when he tried to use his powers on Castile.

 

[auntiehill]

@Tuskin38 : Michael? Do you mean Lucifer? But his family was dead before Lucifer took possession. He had to ask Nick's permission, which he did, in the form of Nick's dead wife.

 

[Aragorn]

Unless there's some trickery involved here, I suspect they won't have a reason for why Michael would abandon Dean, his perfect vessel, and that it's just more of the same old song and dance with this show where they're either too afraid or too unable to shake anything up.

 

[Farscape One]

@Tuskin38 : Michael? Do you mean Lucifer? But his family was dead before Lucifer took possession. He had to ask Nick's permission, which he did, in the form of Nick's dead wife.

I wonder if Lucifer, while trapped in hell, was able to communicate to his loyal demons to kill Nick's family right before Lilith was killed. Lucifer would certainly know who would be suitable vessels for himself while he worked on getting in Sam.

 

[tnpir4002]

I wonder if Lucifer, while trapped in hell, was able to communicate to his loyal demons to kill Nick's family right before Lilith was killed. Lucifer would certainly know who would be suitable vessels for himself while he worked on getting in Sam.

I think that's the likeliest explanation; the demons had an elaborate plan to break 66 seals to Lucifer's cage, including duping Sam into using his demon-blood powers and a lot of other subtle machinations too. We know thanks to seasons 2 and 3 that demons are adept at playing the long game, and they were at it for long enough before Lucifer's release that they could've easily arranged for Nick's family to be killed. As others have said, it would definitely have pushed Nick into the right frame of mind to say "yes" when Lucifer came to call.

 

[Kelthaz]

But where's the story potential if Lucifer ordered Nick's family killed? Lucifer is (presumably) dead and Nick already hates Lucifer, so Nick finding out that Lucifer orchestrated the death of his family is a narrative dead end.

Personally I like the theory that Nick was the one who murdered his own family and then repressed those memories. Arty must have realized that the man he saw running from Nick's house was Nick himself, so he changed his story because he was afraid of Nick.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, they're already foreshadowing the return of Lucifer with Nick's instinctive hand jive. And Nick, rather than taking the path of becoming a Hunter or a member of the MOL in some capacity, has already gone murderous. It's in the service of finding his family's killer, but is it because of Lucifer's lingering influence or the damage done to his psyche by Lucifer, or is it something else? His old neighbor seemed pretty nervous right from the get go. Does this mean that the neighbor was the killer? Or does it mean that the person who "got to him" was Nick, after Lucifer took over? Or does it mean that Nick killed his own family, either before or after Lucifer took over? It would be just like Lucy to want a psychopath for a host. Or is there some deeper mystery going on?

And speaking of the Men of Letters, that Bunker looked mighty empty this week. What happened to that bustling beehive of activity from last episode? Where did all those interdimensional refugees go? That was a little disappointing.

I'm glad that Bobby and Mary are still around-- they kind of remind me of Mulder and Scully when they do their FBI schtick.

But Michael's plan is to create super-Vampires and super-Werewolves to subjugate Humanity? That's it? Kind of a low goal. He keeps saying that he's "almost" God, so why doesn't he just perform a few miracles and take over the world. If The Donald can do it, an Archangel can do it. It would certainly be a departure from the typical Supernatural storyline. And why did he abandon Dean so suddenly and without explanation, if Dean is supposed to be his perfect host? Is it because he's from another dimension? Was he weakened by using so much of his Grace? Or maybe he wants Nick.

 

[auntiehill]

So..what's in store this episode? Dean Angst? More of Michael's dastardly plan (whatever the fuck it actually IS)? More of the adorableness of Mary and alt-Bobby?