Supernatural 7x2 "Hello Cruel World" spoiler discussion thread
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Another good "WTF is going to happen now" episode. I especially loved Mark Pelligrino back as Lucifer's "HALLUCINATION" ..."AAWWWW, he wants to wook at your hand, how sweet" 
Ok two episodes in, and I am really, really liking this season. I feel like it's season 4.
Really pretty much hit note perfect beats across the board.
Depth given to Sam's mental issues. Check.
Building of the Arc of the season. Check.
Legitimate sense of danger and consequences. Check.
Using Dean's own hell experiences to reach Sam. Check.
Talking about issues. Check.
Dean admitting how fucked up he is. Check.
Some nice touches of atmosphere with the villains. Check.
Another direct cliff hanger. Check.
Ambiguity on Misha Collins. Check.
Finality on Castiel. Check.
Lucifer. Check.
Really not a utter classic episode, but so damn close.
Very, very strong work here, with some nearly as strong work from the week before.
Mark is simply a great, great Lucifer. You really get the feeling that Sam did spend over a hundred years with this guy, because his mind plays him great.
Sam's plight is really well played out here, and I am so happy this isn't getting resolved quickly.
I loved Bobby calling out Dean's for doing exactly what Sam did last episode (both had very valid reasons).
Loved, loved Dean reaching Sam. While each hell experience is going to be different and Sam was in their far longer then Dean. He knows. He has first hand experience. It was awesome.
Great, great to see their safety net getting ripped away from them.
I mentioned in Abandoned All Hope that the episode (great as it was, and it was) would have even hit harder if they went back to Bobby's to find him dead, and the place trashed.
Well we have Sam and Dean loose Castiel (A huge safety net), we have Sam loosing his grip on reality, and we have their only real home besides the Impala destroyed, and their surrogate father missing. On a person level this just kills.
And Dean's call to Bobby telling him how close he is to loosing it was great.
Compare these emotional scenes to the episode where they institutionalize themselves and "talk" about their issues. And this is so, so much better. There is a hell of a lot of meat on the bones of this episode.
Oh and look a reoccurring female character, how come she isn't dead yet.
Really pretty much hit note perfect beats across the board.
Depth given to Sam's mental issues. Check.
Building of the Arc of the season. Check.
Legitimate sense of danger and consequences. Check.
Using Dean's own hell experiences to reach Sam. Check.
Talking about issues. Check.
Dean admitting how fucked up he is. Check.
Some nice touches of atmosphere with the villains. Check.
Another direct cliff hanger. Check.
Ambiguity on Misha Collins. Check.
Finality on Castiel. Check.
Lucifer. Check.
Really not a utter classic episode, but so damn close.
Very, very strong work here, with some nearly as strong work from the week before.
Mark is simply a great, great Lucifer. You really get the feeling that Sam did spend over a hundred years with this guy, because his mind plays him great.
Sam's plight is really well played out here, and I am so happy this isn't getting resolved quickly.
I loved Bobby calling out Dean's for doing exactly what Sam did last episode (both had very valid reasons).
Loved, loved Dean reaching Sam. While each hell experience is going to be different and Sam was in their far longer then Dean. He knows. He has first hand experience. It was awesome.
Great, great to see their safety net getting ripped away from them.
I mentioned in Abandoned All Hope that the episode (great as it was, and it was) would have even hit harder if they went back to Bobby's to find him dead, and the place trashed.
Well we have Sam and Dean loose Castiel (A huge safety net), we have Sam loosing his grip on reality, and we have their only real home besides the Impala destroyed, and their surrogate father missing. On a person level this just kills.
And Dean's call to Bobby telling him how close he is to loosing it was great.
Compare these emotional scenes to the episode where they institutionalize themselves and "talk" about their issues. And this is so, so much better. There is a hell of a lot of meat on the bones of this episode.
Oh and look a reoccurring female character, how come she isn't dead yet.
Thank you, mswood. 
I'm really, really caught up with work. I meant to start a thread, then the district boss called me personally and well....you can't tell the district boss to hold on while you make a thread for a television show. It just doesn't fly, you know? We're trying to book for peak season next summer.
I'm glad to hear it was good. I'll catch it on the website when they get it up running on Monday or Tuesday like they always do.
I'm really, really caught up with work. I meant to start a thread, then the district boss called me personally and well....you can't tell the district boss to hold on while you make a thread for a television show. It just doesn't fly, you know? We're trying to book for peak season next summer. I'm glad to hear it was good. I'll catch it on the website when they get it up running on Monday or Tuesday like they always do.
Great episode! Shocked that like no one is here saying a word about it. Is anyone but us watching this great show of supernatural?
The thing i like best is the show feels fresh again and the whole angel stuff is finally finished.
Which brings me to a question.
Since Cas is dead, Michael is in the cage, Raphael is also dead along with his followers and since GOD is MIA, ah whom is running Heaven?
And are these Leviathans more powerful than Angels?
And since there is nothing written anywhere about Leviathans and since a car droped on them cant kill them, how do you get rid of one?
So Demons are black smoke, Angels are white light and is it ok to say the leviathans are black watery goo?
The thing i like best is the show feels fresh again and the whole angel stuff is finally finished.
Which brings me to a question.
Since Cas is dead, Michael is in the cage, Raphael is also dead along with his followers and since GOD is MIA, ah whom is running Heaven?
And are these Leviathans more powerful than Angels?
And since there is nothing written anywhere about Leviathans and since a car droped on them cant kill them, how do you get rid of one?
So Demons are black smoke, Angels are white light and is it ok to say the leviathans are black watery goo?
Probably an angel/group of angels that were on Castiel's side, as he killed a lot of those that side with Raphael.
Supernatural used to be appointment viewing--my favorite seasons being season 1 for the great monster-of-the-week stories and freshness of the show(standalones after S1 weren't nearly as good) and season 4 for its consistently well done arc storytelling. I enoyed to some extent S2 but it was a bit uneven. S3, 5 and 6 have good episodes but overall they are weak saeasons.
So I had been losing interest in the show for quite awhile now and between last week's premiere and spoilers for upcoming episodes I decided to give up on it especially with so many other more interesting new shows.Dropping Fringe and this has allowed me to catch up on stuff that interests me more.
I'm glad that others still enjoy it but the show has just gotten formulaic and repetitive. I'm soooooooo tired of the Sam/Dean back and forth dynamic that is so stale and seems like the same notes have been played over and over again. The show doesn't have the budget to be epic or do justice to their big bads anymore and Eve and what I saw of the Leviathans last week they look as dull too.
Then why EFFING post on a show that everyone of us that has posted (except for Dorian, who has been ultra busy lately) here said it was excellent????
you liked it, good then post.
you think it was so-so, good at least you watched it.
you think it sucks, so you didn't watch it, BAD, then go start your own thread about shows that you think sucked and your reasons for it doing so. I wait with anticipated breath, oh wait your reasoning behind why would all sound the same as they always do.
BTW, did anyone catch the name on the office that "Luci-Dean" took Sam to?? It was "Morningstar"...that was a kind of hint wasn't it?...
I thought it was great. The new baddies seem cool. It finally looks like the Angel storyline is done, which makes me glad since it was starting to go on for too long.
I really doubt Bobby is dead. Interesting that that boys are on their own again like in season one, at least for a while.
I really doubt Bobby is dead. Interesting that that boys are on their own again like in season one, at least for a while.
Well the Leviathans absorb the knowledge of whoever they possess which means they would have learned a ton about Sam & Dean from Castiel's memories.
I also really like the serial aspect of the first three episode, which if I am not mistaken is the first time the show has ever done this. They have directly ties two episodes together, but have they ever directly linked 3 episodes together.
Be very curious if this is just a one time thing or if they are actively trying more serial storytelling.
I also really like the serial aspect of the first three episode, which if I am not mistaken is the first time the show has ever done this. They have directly ties two episodes together, but have they ever directly linked 3 episodes together.
Be very curious if this is just a one time thing or if they are actively trying more serial storytelling.
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While I can certainly understand you choosing not to watch the show (and loosing interest in it), what I can't understand is this.
The show has never, never had the money to showcase even monsters of the week effectively literally going back to Wendigo (when the producers came face to face with the short comings of the budget ability). As for their Big Bad's this is absolutely always been the case with them. It isn't something new or a more recent development. Been there since day one of the regularly produced seasons (ie Pilots have more time and budget and actually managed some good production values).
While I can certainly understand you choosing not to watch the show (and loosing interest in it), what I can't understand is this.
The show has never, never had the money to showcase even monsters of the week effectively literally going back to Wendigo (when the producers came face to face with the short comings of the budget ability). As for their Big Bad's this is absolutely always been the case with them. It isn't something new or a more recent development. Been there since day one of the regularly produced seasons (ie Pilots have more time and budget and actually managed some good production values).
Actually the show has always been formulaic. From the get go. In fact season 6 was the least formulaic to date of any season of SPN (doesn't mean it was a great season, but it was the least formulaic of SPN's history).
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The mods over there are a bunch of Nazis. Only good thing about that place is that many posts in the boards are so stupid that they make me laugh.
I hope you aren't discouraged and will continue posting in the ratings topic in the future. I find your Supernatural ratings comments over there to be fascinating.
It's a love hate relationship for me with TWOP. I love that they have an active and large ratings thread (something I am utterly fascinated by and get as much info as I can find), but I hate, hate the utter over the top behavior there.
I mean seriously posting that they would literally sell their soul to see the show end. How utterly stupid is that?
I mean its one thing to address specifics faults of a show (and this show absolutely has faults), and its absolutely fine to stop watching a show (as Startrekwatcher has done).
But to state you would be willing to sell your soul to stop the show, but can't even manage to not post about said show is utter hypocrisy. I hate hypocrisy.
I mean seriously posting that they would literally sell their soul to see the show end. How utterly stupid is that?
I mean its one thing to address specifics faults of a show (and this show absolutely has faults), and its absolutely fine to stop watching a show (as Startrekwatcher has done).
But to state you would be willing to sell your soul to stop the show, but can't even manage to not post about said show is utter hypocrisy. I hate hypocrisy.
True that's why I never understood why the writers introduced seemingly epic storylines/ideas knowing they would never be able to truly do them justice. It only leads to disappointment. At least in the first 4 seasons(not surprisingly where what I consider the three best seasons come from)Azazel and Lilith and their threat was more manageable and better able to be executed--at least in my opinion.
Maybe so but maybe I didn't notice it so much since the show was fresh and new in those early seasons--it seemed anything was possible. Season one was mostly standalones that existed for their own sake and entertaining. Azazel wasn't banished only to have a new threat appear after one season.
Now I know what to expect from being a longtime viewer so I feel like I'm going through the motions and so are the writers--even if Sam or Dean dies they don't stay dead, if Bobby is paralyzed he'll get his legs back, the season will have a mix of less than interesting standalones and more compelling heavy myth episodes, we'll get a comedy episode here and there, we'll have a big event right before winter hiatus, then back to Jan/Feb standalones, the guys will seek clues for the big monster of the season until they stumble upon some convenient fantastical macguffin that falls right into their laps(the show used to have more inventive ways to handling threats of the week), the big bad is vanquished, Sam and Dean keep things from each other, Sam and/or Dean is on the verge of a breakdown, are keeping things from each other, they get mad, one goes off on their own i.e. Dean to Lisa's before offering himself up to Michael or Sam to Ruby to develop his powers, they'll be one ot two meta episodes that break the fourth wall etc etc.
What was once fresh has just gotten stale for me. Season 4 was the show's pinnacle--season 5 showed cracks but I was willing to ride it out because Kripke had a 5 year plan. Now the CW is just dragging it out in my opinion.
From my own personal tv experience in the last decade it seems shows these days just burn bright then burn out quickly--they don't have the creative longevity as shows had pre-2000s--Heroes, BSG, Supernatural, Fringe etc
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So if Lucifer is still around toying with Sam, where the hell is Michael? And that whole thing with Sam's hallucination of "Dean" driving him to the warehouse in the impala. Does that imply Sam actually drove himself with an identical black impala? Where did the second car come from? I get what they were trying to do and I know I'm supposed to suspend belief here but come on!
If you look, when Sam & "Dean" get out of the car, Sam has the keys in his hands.
And when Dean arrivas at the warehouse where Sam is, there is a patched up van there, one of Bobby's many scrap vehicles.
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