Supernatural 6x21 &6x22 Two hour season finale tonight
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I knew it!!! The denizens of TWOP are vowing revenge. They hate it. They're screaming. 
Character assasination, they scream! Well, that's what happens when you only watch a show because a character is your tv boyfriend. I knew those nimrods would scream bloody murder.
Character assasination, they scream! Well, that's what happens when you only watch a show because a character is your tv boyfriend. I knew those nimrods would scream bloody murder.
Skywalker: Oh, that would be even better. Cas vs. God. Maybe Sam, Dean, and Bobby will try to find God to stop Cas like Cas try to find him to stop Lucifer.
I have to say Dark Cas is a even bigger Big Bad than Lucifer. And Cas's progression up to this point felt logical and organic to me.
I have to say Dark Cas is a even bigger Big Bad than Lucifer. And Cas's progression up to this point felt logical and organic to me.
It did, didn't it? I love it. I am sooooo on board for next season. A few brave souls have poked their heads out at TWOP to admit they liked it. Too bad I'm banned again. I'd love to stir up some trouble but I've run out of email addresses to register with. Poking the vipers with a stick is fun. I am seriously stoked.
Poking the vipers with a stick is fun. I am seriously stoked.These are the first two SPN shows I've watched in a long time this season. I enjoyed the first one, but skipped most of the second (don't care for those in my mind stories). However, I caught the end and wow, that was a game changer. Cas went Gary Mitchell. Maybe I shouldn't have skipped out on this season after all.
I never cared for Ben or Lisa and them being in jeopardy really didn't generate the kind of concern it would have had I cared. I'm glad they put an end to them. It did provide a nice final scene in the first hour.
It was a little too neat to have Eleanor be a monster who escaped from Purgatory. And it made the whole season long arc with Eve, Purgatory, the Campbells, the monster hunt to be kind of pointless. I did like Balthazaar working with the guys.
Castiel came out better in the first hour since the boys never once provided a reasonable alternative to avoiding the Apocalypse that Raphael would have reignited-it would have caused as much damage to Earth as releasing the monsters from Purgatory. Too bad more episodes weren't as solid as this one--a B--the early stuff was standard SN stuff--lots of drinking, angst, killing demons--we've seen that so many times it should be its own drinking game but the end made up for it. The rest of the hour was providing exposition involving the Lovecraft investigation by Bobby which was interesting.
The second hour was a mixed bag. The one thing I really liked was the fact that Castiel brought down the wall in Sam's head. I knew it would fall in the finale but not what would cause it. This was a nasty, vicious move on Castiel's part to occupy the guys while he carried out his plan--although why he didn't zap the trio to a deserted island in the middle of nowhere or into the past was a bit of a plothole.
The first thirty minutes were a little slow. I'm so tired of sff shows having events in one's mind being played out--so siting through cat and mouse with his alter egos was plodding especially when consisting of stumbling into a bar, cat and mouse with himself, a standard shoot out and an abrupt predictable reveal that soulless Sam killed an innocent--one who in a few scant minutes was one of the more likeable female guest stars. I also didn't like that they killed off Kim Johnston Ulrich's Eleanor--quit killing good characters.
The final 15 minutes picked up and were surprisingly exciting--would Raphael open up Purgatory and then what?. I have lamented the underwhelming season finales and cliffhangers shows have churned out in recent years--not having the excitement or edge-of-the-seat memorable quality as the iconic TNG's "The Best of Both Worlds", DS9's "Call to Arms", Who Shot JR?, Melrose Places' Big Bang Theory". This was no "Mr Worf, Fire" but was a step in the right direction of what I expect from a finale cliffhanger--I know I'll long rmember Castiel's cold turn, being stabbed in the back by Sam and coldly telling everyone that he is the new God and kneel before him.
The only problem is will the writers really capitalize on it or it fizzle. I honestly don't know especially given the fact it is on a limited budget and is a CW show. Why the writers don't do serialized storytelling on SN is beyond me. Obviously it isn't an edict from the CW since The Vampire Diaries is fully serialized. But if anything these last 3 shows have confirmed for me is that SN is at its best when focusing on arc based material and it would have made these last three episodes flow better with the rest of the season rather than feeling like a jarring supplement attached to the end.
A B for the second hour.
It was a little too neat to have Eleanor be a monster who escaped from Purgatory. And it made the whole season long arc with Eve, Purgatory, the Campbells, the monster hunt to be kind of pointless. I did like Balthazaar working with the guys.
Castiel came out better in the first hour since the boys never once provided a reasonable alternative to avoiding the Apocalypse that Raphael would have reignited-it would have caused as much damage to Earth as releasing the monsters from Purgatory. Too bad more episodes weren't as solid as this one--a B--the early stuff was standard SN stuff--lots of drinking, angst, killing demons--we've seen that so many times it should be its own drinking game but the end made up for it. The rest of the hour was providing exposition involving the Lovecraft investigation by Bobby which was interesting.
The second hour was a mixed bag. The one thing I really liked was the fact that Castiel brought down the wall in Sam's head. I knew it would fall in the finale but not what would cause it. This was a nasty, vicious move on Castiel's part to occupy the guys while he carried out his plan--although why he didn't zap the trio to a deserted island in the middle of nowhere or into the past was a bit of a plothole.
The first thirty minutes were a little slow. I'm so tired of sff shows having events in one's mind being played out--so siting through cat and mouse with his alter egos was plodding especially when consisting of stumbling into a bar, cat and mouse with himself, a standard shoot out and an abrupt predictable reveal that soulless Sam killed an innocent--one who in a few scant minutes was one of the more likeable female guest stars. I also didn't like that they killed off Kim Johnston Ulrich's Eleanor--quit killing good characters.
The final 15 minutes picked up and were surprisingly exciting--would Raphael open up Purgatory and then what?. I have lamented the underwhelming season finales and cliffhangers shows have churned out in recent years--not having the excitement or edge-of-the-seat memorable quality as the iconic TNG's "The Best of Both Worlds", DS9's "Call to Arms", Who Shot JR?, Melrose Places' Big Bang Theory". This was no "Mr Worf, Fire" but was a step in the right direction of what I expect from a finale cliffhanger--I know I'll long rmember Castiel's cold turn, being stabbed in the back by Sam and coldly telling everyone that he is the new God and kneel before him.
The only problem is will the writers really capitalize on it or it fizzle. I honestly don't know especially given the fact it is on a limited budget and is a CW show. Why the writers don't do serialized storytelling on SN is beyond me. Obviously it isn't an edict from the CW since The Vampire Diaries is fully serialized. But if anything these last 3 shows have confirmed for me is that SN is at its best when focusing on arc based material and it would have made these last three episodes flow better with the rest of the season rather than feeling like a jarring supplement attached to the end.
A B for the second hour.
This is bigger than Buffy's Dark Willow arc
I still think the Prophet is the real God, especially with him just vanishing into thin air at the end of last season with a big smile on his face. It would be nice to see a major face off this coming season.
Glad to see we've learned our lesson. Welcome back to the fold. 
And Startrekwatcher, as much as I disagree with you, as always I welcome your feedback. Your response to the second hour was far more reasoned with your critiques than the TWOPPy denizens whom, I suspect, are merely reacting to their angel snuggy bear going bad and using writing as the excuse.
They're a trip, aren't they?
Startrekwatcher
VD is designed from the get go as a soap, meaning serialized storytelling. AS as it has maintained being CW's strongest performing show it will have less interference then a show that isn't/
SPN started out as a standalone show, that built up its serialized elements. Ie taking the X-Files route (though character and small plot points are, far, far more serialized then the X-Files ever was).
And once a show gets its format, it rarely changes it. It might increase or decrease certain elements, but a full on change, very unlikely. Both from a studio point of view and from a Show's producers view.
VD is designed from the get go as a soap, meaning serialized storytelling. AS as it has maintained being CW's strongest performing show it will have less interference then a show that isn't/
SPN started out as a standalone show, that built up its serialized elements. Ie taking the X-Files route (though character and small plot points are, far, far more serialized then the X-Files ever was).
And once a show gets its format, it rarely changes it. It might increase or decrease certain elements, but a full on change, very unlikely. Both from a studio point of view and from a Show's producers view.
I don't think this necessarily means that Cas is the big bad. He could possibly be the new permanent God and next season could find him learning to become a fair God and not so power crazed. It wouldn't be so much about taking God down as Sam and Dean getting him down the right path. Just imagine a universe influenced by the Winchesters.
But TXF was more consistent and IMO told more entertaining standalones so I had no problem with them. SN's standalones for me aren't nearly as compelling as their myth heavy outings so they should play to their strengths. And TXF for all intents and purposes was an episodic show with Major two parter events in sweeps so the mythology was not nearly as big a focus--I never saw TXF as a serialized drama. SN dangles its arc stuff in the background and I feel why dangle it when it should be front and center. I feel the same way about Fringe--why churn out middling filler episodes if you can churn out stronger myth episodes. And it can be done--S1 of Heroes was nothing but 24 episodes of heavily serialization with virtually no filler. The problem with taking a break from arc storytelling with standalones is they need to be interesting enough to capture the attention of viewers so that they won't be more anxious to see what happens next in the arc you just put the brakes on with a standalone detour.
The point is, eklipse, they've really opened up some possibilities. I like it. Not at all easy to do in a show's sixth going on seventh season. I applaud them for that. It wasn't a perfect season, but on the whole I found it much better than season five. Mileage varies, of course.
I found S5 while problematic a better season than 6--S6 was consistently bland with no highs or no lows. S5 was uneven with higher highs(My Bloody Valentine, The EWnd, Abandon All Hope) and lower lows(Changing Channels, Hammer of the GOds).
It certainly has me intrigued. I'm looking forward to the season 7 premiere more than I was for season 6 if only for that fact that I have no idea where they're going to take this. After season 5 ended I had a pretty good idea where part of season would go. It's also refreshing to have a cliffhanger when we're certain we'll get another season to wraps things up which is more than I can say for a lot of other shows.
Oh and can I just say, Dean if you really, really cared about Lisa and Ben and the Literal King of Hell has taken them you just literally leave (nay insist) that the one thing that you have in your arsenal that can literally stop any and all forces from Hell stay and work with Bobby.
Seriously! That's how shall I put it, absolutely sloppy storytelling.
Seriously! That's how shall I put it, absolutely sloppy storytelling.
Startrekwatcher, I'll agree with season 6 being more consistent than 5 but I disagree with it being bland. The overall arc was a lot more subdued this season and not as in your face as last year's. I think throughout last season most of us had some inkling of how things were going to unfold whereas this season there was a bit of misdirection with the Eve plot.
Yeah the X-Files tended to have mytharc material during the first few opening episodes, in Nov, and Feb and a few towards the end of the season (seem's some what familiar of a pattern). As for consistency, I think X-Files was vastly more inconsistent in the quality of their story telling. Far more so then Supernatural has ever been.
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