Welcome to the fold, JW. You aren't lamenting the passing of season one. You'd never fit in at the infamous TWOP. That's a compliment, BTW.
Supernatural 4x10 "Heaven and Hell" spoiler discussion thread
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You, too? I've been banned three times myself. 
I'm far more polite than I am here and I still get banned. I'm like, "What did I do now?" That's funny.
I'm far more polite than I am here and I still get banned. I'm like, "What did I do now?" That's funny.
Way way more than 3 times for me.
Well, another primo episode. It's so fitting that a beautiful redhead is/was an angel 
The confrontation between the demons and angels was a nice twist, especially since Castiel was getting his butt kicked. The other angel (can't remember his name) certainly has an attitude and I'm wondering if he isn't going to be punished in some form (since he's been reprimanded once for being close to blasphemy). Ruby sure "took one for the team".
Now, we have to wait until mid-January for new episodes
The confrontation between the demons and angels was a nice twist, especially since Castiel was getting his butt kicked. The other angel (can't remember his name) certainly has an attitude and I'm wondering if he isn't going to be punished in some form (since he's been reprimanded once for being close to blasphemy). Ruby sure "took one for the team".Now, we have to wait until mid-January for new episodes
I just started season two and I hope to be caught up in time for the new episodes in January. Season one left me underwhelmed up until the final four episodes which were just out of the freaking park! The first two episodes of season two have also been great and a nice arc is opening up. Can't wait to be all caught up.
Well I think several individual episodes in season one are better then the three episodes. THe final three did really build the tension and the drama for each of the episodes.
Season two has its missteps but it manages its myth arc fairly well.
I'm very torn about this arc at the moment.
For the first 6 episodes this season was shaping up to be the finest to date with the emotional complexity breaking through the roof (plus the humour has been first class).
Yet, come episode 7 when the Angel arc kicks back in and it's not going in a direction i'm wholly bothered with. I know Supernatural has a tendancy of generally have a rather short actual story arc spread over the season, but this one seems to be really going nowhere. Perhaps it's that I'm more interested in what happened to Dean (probably scene of the season, thus far...) and Sam and what the Angel's plans are for the pair of them, but adding the "Fallen Angel" into the mix seemed a touch redundant at this point. It will probably play out in a way I'm not expecting, but thus far it's not doing anything for me.
I've come to adore this little show. Purchasing S1/2 box set when ill was one of the best decisions I've made whilst high on pain meds. Season 4 has all the building blocks of being pure WIN, yet at the moment the path is unclear, fuzzy and a touch drawn out.
Still, the show can pull off those "moments" on the hood of the car though, and this episode certainly didn't disappoint. Dean, poor Dean. He's very quickly moving up the ranks of my favourite TV Hero along with the likes of Kirk, John Crichton and Jack O'Neill. In fact, before seeing Chris Pine in the recent trailer I always felt that Jenson would have made a fabulous young Kirk...
Still, I can live with just Dean.
Roll on January.
Hugo - Dude, you're confusing reality with porn again.
For the first 6 episodes this season was shaping up to be the finest to date with the emotional complexity breaking through the roof (plus the humour has been first class).
Yet, come episode 7 when the Angel arc kicks back in and it's not going in a direction i'm wholly bothered with. I know Supernatural has a tendancy of generally have a rather short actual story arc spread over the season, but this one seems to be really going nowhere. Perhaps it's that I'm more interested in what happened to Dean (probably scene of the season, thus far...) and Sam and what the Angel's plans are for the pair of them, but adding the "Fallen Angel" into the mix seemed a touch redundant at this point. It will probably play out in a way I'm not expecting, but thus far it's not doing anything for me.
I've come to adore this little show. Purchasing S1/2 box set when ill was one of the best decisions I've made whilst high on pain meds. Season 4 has all the building blocks of being pure WIN, yet at the moment the path is unclear, fuzzy and a touch drawn out.
Still, the show can pull off those "moments" on the hood of the car though, and this episode certainly didn't disappoint. Dean, poor Dean. He's very quickly moving up the ranks of my favourite TV Hero along with the likes of Kirk, John Crichton and Jack O'Neill. In fact, before seeing Chris Pine in the recent trailer I always felt that Jenson would have made a fabulous young Kirk...
Still, I can live with just Dean.
Roll on January.
Hugo - Dude, you're confusing reality with porn again.
Supernatural is a show that would have done great in the 13 episode per season premium cable format, I always thought, Hugo. I've loved a lot of the standalones, but you do have to stretch things out when there's 22 episodes to write. I suspect the fallen angel Anna does have a purpose, though. Foreshadowing something Cass does, perhaps? I was so glad to read that Misha Collins and the show are negotiating for him to appear in more episodes.
Oh.. I hate the 13 episode format. Way too few episodes for a season for my tastes.
Fewer episodes, but usually better episodes. Often times a writer doesn't have to worry about fluffing out a story to make it last 22 -24 episodes and instead can just focus on the story they want to tell instead of padding things out,
But that's not always the case. Just why some like shorter seasons. Just like how I consider nuBSG's 1st season (13 episodes) to be quite possibly the best single season of any TV show ever made.
The first season of nuBSG blew me away. The character moments were out of this world. I'll never forget that moment betwen Bill and Lee in the corridor...if it were you, we'd never leave. Then he walks away without indulging in any emotion, and the enormity of what Bill said to Lee, the affection behind it, hits you. He'd wasted 40 percent of the fuel reserves looking for Kara, but ultimately he'd capitulated to Laura. He did leave.
Though it's not the same in storylin escope, some of the moments between the brothers and Bobby (and John) tap into a similar level of emotion, IMO. That's why the characters make such a deep impression.
Though it's not the same in storylin escope, some of the moments between the brothers and Bobby (and John) tap into a similar level of emotion, IMO. That's why the characters make such a deep impression.
That's because we haven't seen the final 11 episodes yet (which they're treating like one season).
That's because we haven't seen the final 11 episodes yet (which they're treating like one season).
As much as I like season 4 of BSG, I don't think it will be able to top season 1. I still think 33 is the best episode of the entire series.
While I don't think it was the best, 33 was a fantastic episode and a great way to start off the first season.
That is my favorite first season BSG moment. I love it.
It's one of my regrets with this show is that we never got a real Dean/John moment. We got Dean in his spirit state accusation to John (who doesn't hear or see it), and we have had a Dean confronting a nightmare version of hiself telling off John. BUt I miss never having a real huge John/Dean moment.
Even Sam got a few little moments that showed a big connection with John (either through confrontation or hesitant acceptance).
I love 33 (its not my favorite or even favorite of that season) but its what sold me that the show was going to not only continue in the same style as the pilot but even be more intense and personal. But the funny thing is that episode is what turned my boyfriend off of the show. He didn't return until Season 3.
That's because we haven't seen the final 11 episodes yet (which they're treating like one season).
As much as I like season 4 of BSG, I don't think it will be able to top season 1. I still think 33 is the best episode of the entire series.
I'm really not sure I can get behind this direction they're taking this season. For some reason, demons and mosnters and werewolves are much easier to "believe in" than angels and God. I'm afraid I can't quite take it seriously.
And I seriously doubt that if arch-angels and arch-demons got into a room, they'd fight with fists. That was lame. I chose to see it as metaphorical.
And I seriously doubt that if arch-angels and arch-demons got into a room, they'd fight with fists. That was lame. I chose to see it as metaphorical.
More anvilicious symbolism. At least there was skin.I love it. Anna's an angel. Probably a nephilim. Dean gets angel booty and Sam gets demon booty.
Perhaps it was the fact that everyone here speculates everything to death and Dorian has a tendency to drop spoilers, but I wasn't blown away by this scene. It simply served as confirmation of what I assumed, not as any major revelation. I saw the actors acting more than I saw the characters reacting.
What the fuck was with that Brando impression? Great way to break us out of the illusion, dumbass.
I also found this rather clumsy and overly concrete. Something a little more mystical than "here, have some grace" would have been appreciated. Although I did like that they made the effects a direct reflection of the demon effects. Plays on the "two sides of the same coin" idea.
Here, I will wholeheartedly agree. Uriel is The Dude.Speaking of badass, I love Uriel. He's such a glorious dick.
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Don't forget that there's a huge question regarding if there's actually a God in this show, too. We learned just recently that even the angels have never met him, except for four claiming to have done so. There's no way to know if these four actually have or are using God as means of keeping the other angels under their control and doing their bidding.
Regardless, if only four angels it's highly doubtful every soul that dies gets to be judged directly by him.