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Superman

Supervisor 194 said:
Silver Age Superman was written for children primarily and falls apart if scrutinized by modern adult sensibilities---as do all funnybook heroes.
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If every hero of the Silver Age had acted like him, I might agree. The fact is that other contemporary characters like The Flash or the Green Lantern weren't behaving like perfect sociopaths like him. They didn't invent complicated tricks to make women believe they were actually crazy. They did not claim to be perfect paradigms of justice and virtue.

Isn't it hypocritical to say you represent "Truth, Justice and The American Way" when in reality you spend a lot of time lying to your loved ones?
 
In Superman's case, I think Superman '78 remains the defining portrayal of the character in the public consciousness, and likely always will. Which is a good thing IMO, because it's a classic and as perfect a version of Superman as one could reasonably ask for.
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Strange . . . I used to feel exactly like that when I was younger. But I haven't felt that way about the 1978 movie in years.
 
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I think that's what I was referencing. I was reading discussion about that scene and to his credit HL does explain why he can't do that, but still he's a dickhead
 
For me as a kid Superman was all the 78 movie, Superfriends and George Reeves so it seemed right to me. The only comic I had was one with a giant gorilla with kryptonite eyebeams.
 
How about this? Superman should be able to lift planes and ships by moving at superspeed and applying near simultaneous force throughout the surface of the object. This way the plane or submarine or whatever could be diverted or even lifted without breaking apart at the point of contact.

This is similar to how the Flash should be able to break apart nearly any object or take down almost any super-powered villain by applying thousands or millions of soft punches is a fraction of a second.
 
theenglish said:
As much as I liked the Superman movie, I never really felt it was the "real" comic book version of the character--even back then.
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Exactly. If anything the 1978 film elevated Superman to a greater level of mythological stature than the one given to him in the comics. That was evident to me on first viewing.

That said, the element of Superman as a kind of Space Moses were present in his origin story from its first reveal. However, although he was presented as defending the ideals of truth and justice, Superman did not have the role of prophet in the comics, generally speaking.

On the other hand, if you listen to what Jor-El says in the Fortress of Solitude in the 1978 film, Superman comes off essentially as Space Jesus: Jor-El's only son sent to Earth to inspire humanity to do good.
 
Lest the point be lost, I never said Superman '78 was "the 'real' comic book version of the character" -- in fact, it surpassed and supplanted the comic book (or any other) version of the character in the popular imagination, and has done so ever since.

That assertion, BTW, is quite distinct from how much an individual viewer likes or doesn't like the movie, or how he or she feels about other portrayals. I personally love the George Reeves series, but Christopher Reeve plainly eclipsed him in the public consciousness. And while Henry Cavill certainly has his fans, only the most intellectually dishonest of them (give him a minute) would claim he successfully replaced Reeve as the character's cinematic standard-bearer.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
I think that's what I was referencing. I was reading discussion about that scene and to his credit HL does explain why he can't do that, but still he's a dickhead
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My read on Homelander’s powers is that he could’ve saved that plane if he wanted to. True, his Herculean strength would shatter the structure of the funnel. But he still has his super speed and flight powers. Making a twister to slow the descent of the plane and cushion it’s landing was an option.

Flying ahead of the plane and creating a wind funnel to direct it’s descent down is another tactic.

Maeve suggested super speeding everyone off the plane. HL just didn’t want to do that 120+ times.

Dude just couldn’t be bothered to try. He’s such a prick. But we love how despicable he is for it.
 
The Realist said:
Lest the point be lost, I never said Superman '78 was "the 'real' comic book version of the character" -- in fact, it surpassed and supplanted the comic book (or any other) version of the character in the popular imagination, and has done so ever since.
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That was easy enough to do, since most people don't read comic books.
 
The internet calls Synder's Suerman: "Murderman".

The outrage is there.

Imagine if Dean Cain's Superman, woke up every morning, stripped Lex Luthor Naked and then left him some where far away, where his money and celebrity meant nothing. Luthor's entire day would be about returning to the closest semblance of civilization, before it started all over again.

theenglish said:
This is similar to how the Flash should be able to break apart nearly any object or take down almost any super-powered villain by applying thousands or millions of soft punches is a fraction of a second.
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I don't think the Rock understands the movies he is in.

Talking about Black Black Adam, he says "Its cool because he kills people." It is not cool, but as he is 3 thousand years old, and a Sovereign from Ancient times, it wasn't the same, and he thinks the new namby pamby rules are dumb, just like Encino Man.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
is there a plot reason in each universe why Superman / Supergirl can save falling aircraft and in the other show they can't do that?
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Superman is something of a living warp nacelle in that he can counteract inertia and bring everything in line with his own frame of reference…possibly learned through practice. Homelander being selfish and not having “arms wide open” to steal a musical quote—-is all about himself…so he’s just a missile. Superman could go missile mode but doesn’t usually.
 
If you want another comparison, then we can say that Homelander's powers are like a very powerful bike. It can go up to 300 km per hour, but it would not be able to move a very heavy trailer at all.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
We get he's the villain.. He's a version of an anti-superman
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That was just a general statement based on memes I see online. Not directed at anyone on this board.

On another topic, has anyone been following Action Comics' Warworld storyline that has been going on for the past year and a half. The final instalment was released this past week but I have not read it yet. Superman has led his own team (a version of the Authority) to Warworld which is under rule by a new Mongul. Superman's powers are deleted and the team is defeated, but he has to inspire a group of slaves who have a Kryptonian heritage to rise up and defeat Mongul and his warriors. For me it has been the best use of Mongul since Reign of the Supermen.
 
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