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Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 3

But I can't wrap my head around the idea of a Superman who wouldn't give the world a cure for cancer if he could, or who could stand by and watch Lois's suffering if he could stop it.

That was the one part of the episode that felt forced; unless the Fortress A.I. laid down a non-interference command (as Superman had been from the words of Jor-El in the Donner film) Clark is not bound by any law or order preventing him from using Kryptonian technology (or frankly, himself when in costume) to help others. As much as this season has taken such a deep dive into how much Clark loves Lois, one would think he would not resist exploring any option if it means Lois would be cured.

That said, when the cancer diagnosis was revealed a few episodes ago, I recall not wanting the series to provide Lois with something viewers in their real world would never have access to--essentially, a fairy tale solution. Perhaps the writers sort of force-fed this "fairness" / non-interference position as a way of avoiding said fairy tale solution (and moving past the twins' reaction / calls for Kryptonian intervention), but it made Clark appear to be pulled more by the closed-door that is his mind, rather the open door of his heart.


Fuck cancer.

Indeed.
 
They should have let them say Fuck cancer instead of screw cancer. One little fuck, especially in that context should be fine to even most prudish of prude people who hate naughty language.
 
They should have let them say Fuck cancer instead of screw cancer. One little fuck, especially in that context should be fine to even most prudish of prude people who hate naughty language.
We all know what they meant. CW can't as they follow the same FCC rules as NBC, ABC & CBS.
 
We all know what they meant. CW can't as they follow the same FCC rules as NBC, ABC & CBS.

I know and it easy to still understand the intent of the scene but soon as you hear Screw instead of Fuck your brain instantly goes straight to the place that knows they chose that due to censorship more than anything else.
 
Besides, it's hard for me to imagine Clark Kent dropping an f-bomb, even in that context.

You might be right and you know it would have been kind of funny it everyone else said Fuck cancer and Clark was the only one who said Screw cancer.
 
Well, superheroes not wanting to share advanced technology with the rest of humanity is a classic trope in the genre

Reed Richards Is Useless

The motivations they give in the comics are always a little farfetched, like, "humanity is still not ready" or similar. The real reason of course that they don't want to depict a world too dissimilar from ours (except for the flying people in capes or the occasional alien). It worked while superheroes was a genre for kids, but now it seem a little strange that a society where aliens and magic exist and one can build an advanced flying armor in the basement is virtually identical to ours.

But whatever. It's just one of the compromise one accepts to enjoy the genre. It's not like every comic can be like Watchmen, where they depict a society deeply changed from the existence of a SINGLE super being.
 
The motivations they give in the comics are always a little farfetched, like, "humanity is still not ready" or similar. The real reason of course that they don't want to depict a world too dissimilar from ours (except for the flying people in capes or the occasional alien). It worked while superheroes was a genre for kids, but now it seem a little strange that a society where aliens and magic exist and one can build an advanced flying armor in the basement is virtually identical to ours.

This is why I hate the tendency in series fiction to keep the sci-fi/fantasy elements secret from the public in order to maintain a "real-world" status quo. That's a waste of potential. Good speculative fiction is all about how new technologies or discoveries transform human life, society, values, etc. Exploring the way they transform our way of life is the whole damn point of telling stories about them. A series that actively resists exploring those ramifications is failing as speculative fiction.

There have been some series that did it well. Both versions of The 4400 made the arrival of time-displaced superpowered people a public thing and explored how society was affected, with the original series progressively escalating the impact on the world from season to season (the reboot only got one season). Supergirl did a lot with the public presence of aliens on Earth and the way government and the public reacted to them. The Flash and Black Lightning did that with metahumans as well.


But whatever. It's just one of the compromise one accepts to enjoy the genre.

No, it isn't. We're under no obligation to accept it if we don't want to. Especially in this case where it's so unnecessary and unreasonable. They already had a good explanation for why they couldn't use Kryptonian tech to cure Lois -- because it probably wouldn't work on human biology. That was enough. Tacking on the stupid "We have to deprive people of the good this technology can bring because we're afraid of the bad" handwave was not only cliched and morally reprehensible, it conflicted with the reason that had already been given.

Also, as I mentioned before, the "We have to keep alien technology secret from the public" trope makes no damn sense in a Superman series, where everyone already knows there are Kryptonians living on Earth. The only thing they have to keep secret is that Clark Kent is Superman. There's no way that sharing Kryptonian medical technology with the public would jeopardize that.
 
They don't have a cure for cancer. They I think have something that might work. Also this potential cure might lend itself to the other uses that can be exploited. We don't know what it is just yet but it could maybe be exploited for genetic engineering or who knows what. Clark wouldn't be given people a cure so much to new technology or science that could lead to bad things. This is also a world that tried to use Krypton soldiers and had some of Clark's blood and didn't tell him about it. Is also filled with the types like Lex Luthor. Also who wants to bet that this science does cure Lois and Manheim starts doing lots of bad things in order to get hold of this technology for his wife. He will look at Superman as another privileged person holding out against the needs of the poor people like in his community.
 
Of course, the beautiful daughter has her own suit of power armor, and pretty much built both of them. She can take care of herself.

It's way too early (for old men) to rate how attractive she is.

(As a parent and an uncle) I see her as an unformed proto person, and you're older than me.

(Tayler Buck is 19.)

75 episodes on a Tyler Perry sitcom, good for her.
 
But whatever. It's just one of the compromise one accepts to enjoy the genre.

Yep, juxtaposition is the beating heart that gives the superhero genre its vilatity. Magic + science fiction, humor + pathos...

...the familiar + the extraordinary. And the less it resembles our world, the less of the familiar there is to make that juxtaposition. Marvel's sort of laid claim to the phrase "the world outside your window," but really that's the appeal of most of the genre across the board.

In a way, the cover to Action Comics #1 is the perfect encapsulation, and this is one of the reasons it's so classic. You have this caped weirdo who's clearly superstrong -- but he's lifting a contemporary car. Not a sci-fi tank or a Roman chariot but something in the here and now. A shard of the impossible plopped right there in the midst of our everyday world.

It's way too early (for old men) to rate how attractive she is.
(As a parent and an uncle) I see her as an unformed proto person, and you're older than me.

I mean, he was literally just quoting the previous poster's phrase.
 
...the familiar + the extraordinary. And the less it resembles our world, the less of the familiar there is to make that juxtaposition. Marvel's sort of laid claim to the phrase "the world outside your window," but really that's the appeal of most of the genre across the board.

Superman: The Movie's tagline was "You will believe a man can fly." Its selling point was verisimilitude, setting its fanciful story in a naturalistically portrayed setting.

Of course, then Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher came along and put Batman, one of DC's most grounded and down-to-earth superheroes, in a hyper-stylized fantasyland. It wasn't until Nolan came along that we got a naturalistic DC movie again.


I mean, he was literally just quoting the previous poster's phrase.

But not disagreeing with it. Tayler Buck is one of the most incredibly beautiful women I've ever seen.
 
Yep, juxtaposition is the beating heart that gives the superhero genre its vilatity. Magic + science fiction, humor + pathos...

...the familiar + the extraordinary. And the less it resembles our world, the less of the familiar there is to make that juxtaposition. Marvel's sort of laid claim to the phrase "the world outside your window," but really that's the appeal of most of the genre across the board.

In a way, the cover to Action Comics #1 is the perfect encapsulation, and this is one of the reasons it's so classic. You have this caped weirdo who's clearly superstrong -- but he's lifting a contemporary car. Not a sci-fi tank or a Roman chariot but something in the here and now. A shard of the impossible plopped right there in the midst of our everyday world.



I mean, he was literally just quoting the previous poster's phrase.

Well, if you want to go by the facts?
 
Well that dinner escalated quickly. Nice to have Superman in it finally.
I don't get the big deal about them suspected a super person is helping putting out these fires. Won't they just assume it's Superman?
 
I don't get the big deal about them suspected a super person is helping putting out these fires. Won't they just assume it's Superman?

Perhaps its the fact too many people around the world know Superman on sight, so anyone else with a clearly different build should stand out, and that might be alarming. On that note, this series has established that on this version of earth, there's no universal love for super-beings, so that poses additional risks to anyone entering into the long-john business.
 
Really good episode, with lots of big plot developments alongside plenty of solid character work. The way that "My Dinner with the Mannheims" blew up was crazy. And now it turns out Lois and Clark helped put Luthor away for 20 years for what is presumably the one crime he didn't actually commit. I assume that reveal is why he gets released from prison, per the CW's recent Lex-centric promo spot.

So will L&C team up with Luthor against Mannheim? Or will a vengeful Lex be gunning for all three? The showrunners have promised a novel take on Luthor, so it'll be very interesting to see where we go from here.
 
. The way that "My Dinner with the Mannheims" blew up was crazy.
Why good evening parental units. I'd like to introduce you to my new, insta-girlfriend Natalie...
Hello insta-girlfriend Natalie...it's so wonderful to meet you. Please sit down and don't tell us your last name.
Thanks, nu boo's parental units, you guys are swell...

So insta-G, do your parental units have first names too?
My mom's dead so she doesn't really use hers anymore...
Where'ya from insta-gurl?
Smallville.
If only I could remember the background file I had on some dude from there who I threatened to snuff out his entire family. I swear you look familiar!
Dad, you said that to the last chick I brought home!
Shut up child of mine, I'm slathering on the contrived plotting seeping in from The Flash's Earth.

Hey it's been 2 act breaks, time for my pops to make an totally unexpected entrance.
Wait, that dude is yo daddy insta-gurl?
Daughter whom I'm put in danger, its time to split!
Dad, I haven't finished, the shrimp platter is to die for.
Ahh sweetems, I can get a doggie bag for you.
Restaurant full of my goons, grab this fool asap!

I-must-take-this-beating-while-waiting-for-my-suit-to-arrive, since-I-didn't-bother-texting-her-to-skedaddle...Bam! Smack! POW!
Geezus Mr Irons, Stan Lee would've came up with far more actiony exclamations of agony than that.
Shut up boypunk whose name I didn't bother remembering... Thwap!

Zoinks. :lol:
 
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