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Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 2

Total digression here, but does anyone know where that expression first came from? Probably some spy story. It's a cliche now, but I have the impression that I never encountered it growing up, so maybe it originated within my lifetime.
My father used it to describe his work in the Air Force and that was back in the 70s.
 
Sarah herself regarded what she did as wrong, which is why she treated it as something she needed to confess to Jordan. But I have to agree with Lana that if Jordan couldn't find it in himself to forgive her, then he doesn't deserve her. Being understanding and forgiving of an admitted mistake by the girl you love is a pretty low bar to clear.

Now I guess we'll see if she can be understanding and forgive the guy she loves for his mistake...?
 
It's Lana's job to make Sarah feel good about herself, and that Kent kid can jump in the lake.
You can make your kid feel better, but its a disservice to sell the kid on the idea that whatever she's doing is fine, and if the significant other has a problem with it, then he's not "good enough" for her. I've known people who were the end-result of that kind of rearing, and they were quite dysfunctional in their relationships (whether romantic or platonic), to put it mildly.
 
He could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you.
Total digression here, but does anyone know where that expression first came from? Probably some spy story. It's a cliché now, but I have the impression that I never encountered it growing up, so maybe it originated within my lifetime.

Perhaps first uttered by Maverick in Top Gun (1986)?
Charlie: Excuse me, Lieutenant. Is there something wrong?
Maverick: Yes ma’am, the data on the MiG is inaccurate.
Charlie: How’s that, Lieutenant?
Maverick: Well, I just happened to see a MiG 28 do a…
Goose: We!
Maverick: Uh, sorry Goose. WE happened to see a MiG 28 do a 4g negative dive.
Charlie: Where did you see this?
Maverick: Uh, that’s classified.
Charlie: It’s what?
Maverick: It’s classified. I could tell you, but then I’d have to kill you.
 
You can make your kid feel better, but its a disservice to sell the kid on the idea that whatever she's doing is fine, and if the significant other has a problem with it, then he's not "good enough" for her. I've known people who were the end-result of that kind of rearing, and they were quite dysfunctional in their relationships (whether romantic or platonic), to put it mildly.

Are the Kent's podunk hicks?

Donna from that 70s show once said "I don't want to be trapped here, squeezing out the moron children of the first po dunk mouth breather I sleep with."

Was Lana giving bad advice to avoid teen pregnancy?
 
Oh. It seems quite a stretch to liken a single teenage kiss at summer camp to what was implied to be a full-fledged extramarital affair between Kyle and that bartender. There's a rather massive difference in proportion.

Is it a difference to you if i only cut you a little or a bit much with a knife?

Infidelity is infidelity and it starts with the mind - if you are in a commited relationship you simply don't have sexual contact with other people besides your partner ( the only exceptions are open relationships that both agreed to). I know that teenagers are hormonal, have sometimes looser understandings of relationships and have much to learn, often enough by trial and error, and inadvertently hurt their teenage partner - this is a learning process and it happens, especially if you are not completely sure about your sexuality.

However Lana is an adult and has a kid - she should know much better and if i were her husband and were present when my wife told our daughter that we would have a very serious conversation.

Lana could have told Sarah the truth - she made a mistake and at least owned up to it to Jordan, he rightfully felt hurt and she should apologize and talk to him about it. If this killed the relationship then it happened and no one can make it better. We all make mistakes and hopefully she learned from it.

That would have been a reaction and advice i would completely agree with and applaud it.

You can make your kid feel better, but its a disservice to sell the kid on the idea that whatever she's doing is fine, and if the significant other has a problem with it, then he's not "good enough" for her. I've known people who were the end-result of that kind of rearing, and they were quite dysfunctional in their relationships (whether romantic or platonic), to put it mildly.

Yeah, you can really screw up a teenagers mind if you teach him/her that their actions should have no consequences and if there are it's not their fault. Owning to ones own mistakes is hard but an absolutely necessary lesson for any teenager.
 
Is it a difference to you if i only cut you a little or a bit much with a knife?

The difference is whether you apologize and get a bandage vs. whether you keep on stabbing. Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is what people do after making a mistake -- whether they admit it and correct it, or hide it and double down on it.

A zero-tolerance policy toward others' mistakes is only about feeding one's own pride and arrogance, because to say that any mistake is inexcusable is to assert oneself to be perfect and infallible, an obvious lie on the face of it. We forgive others' mistakes when we're honest enough wtih ourselves to admit that we screw up too, and we hope others will forgive us when we do. True morality is about managing yourself, not looking for excuses to condemn others.


Yeah, you can really screw up a teenagers mind if you teach him/her that their actions should have no consequences and if there are it's not their fault. Owning to ones own mistakes is hard but an absolutely necessary lesson for any teenager.

And that is absolutely not what happened. Sarah did take responsibility.
 
The difference is whether you apologize and get a bandage vs. whether you keep on stabbing. Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is what people do after making a mistake -- whether they admit it and correct it, or hide it and double down on it.

A zero-tolerance policy toward others' mistakes is only about feeding one's own pride and arrogance, because to say that any mistake is inexcusable is to assert oneself to be perfect and infallible, an obvious lie on the face of it. We forgive others' mistakes when we're honest enough wtih ourselves to admit that we screw up too, and we hope others will forgive us when we do. True morality is about managing yourself, not looking for excuses to condemn others.




And that is absolutely not what happened. Sarah did take responsibility.

I agree with you there - Sarah did the right thing and told him, not too few wouldn't and brush it off as a little thing ( though she did try the "It was just a kiss" excuse).

However her mother gave her advice to dump him if he didn't forgive her mistake and that i take an issue with. As i said it's not about the mistake, that happened and she came forward with it to her boyfriend but Lana makes it out as if it's ok to cheat and if the partner has a problem with that then he should be dumped. I couldn't disagree more. It completely takes out her responsibility for her own actions and lays it on the partner, who had nothing to do with it and is the person who got hurt.
 
So Kyle was cheating on Lana?

Too bad, I was appreciating how despite how he initially came off as a jerk he was a loving husband and father...
 
Something I noticed this week was that Anderson deployed the Supermen of America to Bolivia.
Now, when Superman acted outside the US, he could do so as he was only unofficially working with the US government, which is why he didn't deliver the North Korean sub to the US as Anderson wanted. Anderson's SoA, however, are directly tied to the US government, they must even be considered part of US armed forces.
Bolivia is not exactly a US ally, and with two dead SoAs left on Bolivian soil as evidence, this should lead to an international incidence and, theoretically, to Anderson would have to answer to his superiors (although the US military rarely holds their own accountable for similar breaches of international law and other countries' sovereignty in real life).

Now, things like these are rarely adressed in mainstream genre fiction, but I'd still be pleasantly surprised to see this come up in the aftermath. It could show Anderson that there's a direct downside to his project.
 
However her mother gave her advice to dump him if he didn't forgive her mistake and that i take an issue with. As i said it's not about the mistake, that happened and she came forward with it to her boyfriend but Lana makes it out as if it's ok to cheat and if the partner has a problem with that then he should be dumped.

And I've explained why I think it's ridiculous, unjust, and inflammatory to use the word "cheat" for an unplanned, unrepeated mistake. Anyone so unforgiving and quick to assume the worst probably should be broken up with, because it proves they have no trust or respect for you.
 
Does Lana know about Kyle's infidelity and she forgave him?

To me that would be the most interesting angle to go with this story. Keeps it out of soap opera territory. Though you still have drama about Sarah not knowing and the public not knowing. While also bringing up the raw hurt feelings from the cheating as well that maybe they thought they had moved on from. If Lana doesn't know it almost makes her character look dumb also for not having figured this out when it was happening. Unless we not talking about a long affair but a few sexual encounters.
 
Lana makes it out as if it's ok to cheat and if the partner has a problem with that then he should be dumped. I couldn't disagree more. It completely takes out her responsibility for her own actions and lays it on the partner, who had nothing to do with it and is the person who got hurt.

All true. As you see, some have a total disregard for personal responsibility where their treatment of others is concerned. The argument that it is fine for Lana to teach her daughter that whatever Sarah does (or will do) is fine, and the feelings and the acceptance of mutual respect mean nothing, topping it off with the unethical equivalent of "its my way, or the highway" / "If you don't like it, tough shit and goodbye." Someone would need to be out of touch (inexperienced in general) with the reason Lana's advice was so incontrovertibly bad to defend her beliefs to any degree--especially when talking to an impressionable teenager.
 
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