Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

[Gojira]

You know.... the image in the upper right looks more convincing than any million-dollar cgi effect in superman Returns.
http://i.newsarama.com/images/Reeve-Superman-2_02.jpg

I have to disagree. While many special effects are still very good in the Donner Superman movies some of them do look pretty dated compared to Superman Returns.

I like the shot. What sells it is the intensity of Reeve's face.

Routhe was never allowed to look that intense.

Oh these pictures in the link are excellent! I was referring more to some scenes in the first two movies where the effects do look dated. Some of them, many more, still look great than not but with films where one of them is over 30 years old it is to be expected but they still work real real well.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

the most dated shots in the first two films are the ones where only blue screen was used, because the background city-scapes look like blurry helicopter fly-bys.

One of my favorite shots is Superman's first dart upwards to get the helicopter in the first film. Old-fashioned, with a great cut that actually adds to the momentum of the scene. It looks convincing today. More importantly, it's a fun shot, with a lot of energy.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Was Reeve on wires for that shot?

Yes.

Throughout the movies, the wirework was really convincing.

And this one's blurry, but gorgeous, at 0:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbbLT94L-T0&feature=related

 

[Dream]

the most dated shots in the first two films are the ones where only blue screen was used, because the background city-scapes look like blurry helicopter fly-bys.

I'd take all the flying shots from the first two movies over Superman Returns anyday. Reeve on wires was much more convincing than the fake looking CGI Superman in Returns.

 

[Gepard]

I thought beaker's post was sarcastic until I saw his username. Because slantwise flying followed by Supes obviously being lowered from above is so persuasive.

 

[Gojira]

the most dated shots in the first two films are the ones where only blue screen was used, because the background city-scapes look like blurry helicopter fly-bys.

One of my favorite shots is Superman's first dart upwards to get the helicopter in the first film. Old-fashioned, with a great cut that actually adds to the momentum of the scene. It looks convincing today. More importantly, it's a fun shot, with a lot of energy.

Superman catching the helicopter is my favorite scene and never grows old.

I think the shots that look poor and dated to me are in Superman II when he is flying across the ocean and then into Paris to rescue Lois.

It improves when he flies up through the Eiffel Tower to rescue Lois but right before that it looks bad to me.

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

Was Reeve on wires for that shot?

Yes.

Throughout the movies, the wirework was really convincing.

And this one's blurry, but gorgeous, at 0:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbbLT94L-T0&feature=related

And that was from 'Quest for Peace'! Even in a crappy movie, some of the wirework was good.

 

[Nowhere Man]

I found this thing over here, thought I'd add it to the mix. I don't believe I saw it posted

Personally I like the new movie suit and the way Cavill looks in it just fine.

That nails it. Looks wrong without the shorts. The added red creates a better visual balance.

Yep, it makes a big difference. Just having a belt would make it better. I love the one on the bottom right.

 

[Keith1701]

Yummy!

Yummy times 2

 

[Trekker4747]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbbLT94L-T0&feature=related

Richard Lester can choke on a peanut husk and die.

 

[Broccoli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbbLT94L-T0&feature=related

Richard Lester can choke on a peanut husk and die.

A sensible reaction.

 

[Gojira]

I found this thing over here, thought I'd add it to the mix. I don't believe I saw it posted

Personally I like the new movie suit and the way Cavill looks in it just fine.

That nails it. Looks wrong without the shorts. The added red creates a better visual balance.

Yep, it makes a big difference. Just having a belt would make it better. I love the one on the bottom right.

But the one on the bottom right is just the same old typical Superman suit...boring. Time for something new.

 

[JarodRussell]

I prefer the 'Returns' suit but he looks fine. Actor looks appropriate.

I like both suits about equally, but Cavill does seem to wear his a lot better.

And if he looks this good in spy photos in between takes, just imagine how awesome he'll look in the actual movie.

There's nothing shaky cam couldn't ruin.

boring. Time for something new.

That's what she said.

 

[Samurai8472]

I find it funny.

In the late 90's all these Superman movie idea's were being pinched from a dozen directors. Most of the ideas were non traditional

-A Superman that doesn't fly
-Knives
-Lex Luthor FBI agent
- Suit in a can
-Krypton surviving
-Jar Jar binks type character



Then Superman Returns comes out. It was basically doing things safely/by the book. No homicidal Superman or polar bears.

The only backlash was that Superman was seen as a stalker.

In Look, Up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman, Jon Peters admitted that the Superman franchise was problematic for him: "The elements that I was focusing on were away from the heart, it was more leaning towards Star Wars in a sense, you know. I didn't realize the human part of it, I didn't have that."

I'd post a clip from the special but it's not on youtube. I think it's on the "Superman Returns" dvd.



Now we're at "Man of Steel" which was bold enough to change the suit drastically and is moving away from Donner Superman elements.


It's too early to tell if this movie will be a blend of 'by the book' elements or be totally out there.

 

[Warped9]

That nails it. Looks wrong without the shorts. The added red creates a better visual balance.

Yep, it makes a big difference. Just having a belt would make it better. I love the one on the bottom right.

But the one on the bottom right is just the same old typical Superman suit...boring. Time for something new.

The bottom right isn't the "same old" but tweaked in detail. It looks fine as an update of a design that isn't broken. The new one is just to show how kewl and avant they are. And I'm really hating that dark and faded blue---looks awful.

 

[davejames]

I'd take all the flying shots from the first two movies over Superman Returns anyday. Reeve on wires was much more convincing than the fake looking CGI Superman in Returns.

Agreed. Even though I know he's on wires, it's still such a convincing effect-- and so much closer to the real thing than CGI-- that I never grow tired of watching it. It helps that Reeve sold it so well with his graceful takeoffs and landings.

The only aspect I think SR did better was having the more fluttery cape when he's flying at superspeed.

 

[Trekker4747]

One of the things I liked about him flying in SR is the depiction of his speed including the sonic boom he creates.

 

[Warped9]

I will have to give SR another look sometime, but I never cared at all for Brandon Routh as Superman or Clark. There is just something about his appearance that doesn't work at all for me.

 

[Samurai8472]

Agreed. Even though I know he's on wires, it's still such a convincing effect-- and so much closer to the real thing than CGI-- that I never grow tired of watching it. It helps that Reeve sold it so well with his graceful takeoffs and landings.

The only aspect I think SR did better was having the more fluttery cape when he's flying at superspeed.

I think this technique from back to the future part 2 would be interesting to use

As the car passes the light post the model is transitioned to the real car

 

[theenglish]

I am going to go back in time to 1987 and post a thread about the new upcoming TNG unforms.