Didn't Melissa Benoist and Grant Gustin already do a magazine photo shoot with both of them in full costume? I swear I remember seeing photos of them together in costume around Comic-Con.
Supergirl TV Series is being work on.
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Well, yes, obviously that's the pretense of a lot of fiction, but that's not what I'm talking about here. What bewilders me is the claim that having Supergirl and The Flash be in alternate realities would somehow make one of the shows less enjoyable because the viewer couldn't actually believe it was in our reality. That's what I don't get. There's a vast difference between a story having a pretense of being in the real world and an audience member actually believing that it is. Since we all know going in that neither Supergirl nor The Flash is actually in our world, regardless of internal pretense, I don't see any problem with them being alternate to one another. After all, we all watch plenty of shows that simultaneously pretend to be in "our world" while being incompatible with one another -- say, Stargate and Law & Order, for example. When we watch each individual one, we buy into its conceit of reality, but it isn't diminished by being "unreal" in a different show's world. Because there is a difference between a belief, which tends to exclude incompatible ideas, and the willing suspension of disbelief, which can be easily applied to any number of mutually inconsistent stories at the same time.
Not to mention that The Flash is very blatantly not in a realistic world, and I doubt Supergirl will be either, so I don't think it'll be an issue anyway.
^ Wow, this is really bugging you for some reason. 
I was not trying to argue that any of these shows should take place in our actual world (because that would, um, make me kind of insane), just that I'd rather not have one taking place in an alternate reality from the other. Even though they'd both be equally fictional, it would mean one was set in the main DC world and one was essentially set in some alternate "Earth 2"-style world (which is a concept I've never really cared for in the DC comics either).
And I'd prefer both Supergirl and Flash/Arrow be set in that main DC world.
I was not trying to argue that any of these shows should take place in our actual world (because that would, um, make me kind of insane), just that I'd rather not have one taking place in an alternate reality from the other. Even though they'd both be equally fictional, it would mean one was set in the main DC world and one was essentially set in some alternate "Earth 2"-style world (which is a concept I've never really cared for in the DC comics either). And I'd prefer both Supergirl and Flash/Arrow be set in that main DC world.
I'd say that many DC properties in particular signpost the fact that they're not in our world by using fictitious major cities.
NOOOOOOO!
I just realized that the new Supergirl invalidates Smallville for crossover potential?
(However, since Slater and Cain were also in Smallville, that boat has sailed?)
Is Sam Jones III out of jail yet?
(google, google.)
Yup.
Blue Mountain State: The Rise of Thadland
Blue Mountain State is a series that pretends that political correctness does not exist.
It's an 80s movie, but set now in the present.
I just realized that the new Supergirl invalidates Smallville for crossover potential?
(However, since Slater and Cain were also in Smallville, that boat has sailed?)
Is Sam Jones III out of jail yet?
(google, google.)
Yup.
Blue Mountain State: The Rise of Thadland
Blue Mountain State is a series that pretends that political correctness does not exist.
It's an 80s movie, but set now in the present.
^ Wow, this is really bugging you for some reason.
And I'd prefer both Supergirl and Flash/Arrow be set in that main DC world.
Okay, but we've already got a bunch of different DC universes onscreen at the same time. There's the Berlantiverse (as one of the producers called the CW shows' universe at SDCC, so I'm going with that), there's the Gotham universe, there's the movie universe beginning with Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, and there's the universe that most of the DCU animated movies are in these days. Maybe throw in the universe of the Batman Arkham games and movie as well. (I'd count Constantine as its own universe, but it may end up folded into the Berlantiverse.) So Supergirl would just be adding one more to an already fair-sized list. If the Berlantiverse counts as the "main" one, it's only because it has the most shows; but one could just as well call the movie universe the "main" one. Or one could just treat them as equal alternatives.
I guess I just don't see parallel realities as being hierarchical. They're all the "main" one from the perspective of their own inhabitants, but none of them have any real primacy over the others, cosmologically speaking.
I can't find any pictures online of Melissia Benoist as Powergirl.
I would have thought the Deviant Art people would have worked out how damn obvious it is that an Earth II Powergirl is the twin of a Earth I Supergirl in some continuities.
I would have thought the Deviant Art people would have worked out how damn obvious it is that an Earth II Powergirl is the twin of a Earth I Supergirl in some continuities.
I like to think all the WB live action stuff is in the same universe as Man of Murder and the Evil Corporate Superman from Morrison's run on Action.
I would agree, but then I remember how picky Warner has been in the past about families mixing among different networks / mediums (for instance, the Black Manta / Devil Ray compromise on Justice League Inlimited).
Well...
Kara sees Kal rip off the cockpit hatch to her ship.
The sun is behind him, so she basically sees a silhouette, mostly blacked out.
No face.
Later we see a blurred red speck flying in the distance.
Superman is mentioned by name and in exposition many times.
The sun is behind him, so she basically sees a silhouette, mostly blacked out.
No face.
Later we see a blurred red speck flying in the distance.
Superman is mentioned by name and in exposition many times.
Yeah but in my mind each of those is still set in the main DC world (or Earth 1, I suppose), even if they don't interact at all. And I imagine each of the writers and producers view their shows as being set in that main DC world as well, and not an alternate world one step removed.
There may be different "DC Universes" onscreen right now with the movies, videogames, and TV series, but it's not like Warners has decreed that they're all actually connected in any way or can cross over like in the comics, so there shouldn't be any conflict there at all. They can each be set in their own different version of that main world.
Yes, as I said, every one is "main" by its own standards, but they aren't in the same world as each other. Gotham and Arrow are not in the same reality; they've both had their own separate versions of the Dollmaker. And clearly the feature film universe is a separate reality from any of the various TV universes. All those fictional DC worlds are equally removed from us, existing side by side. Which one is "main" and which ones are not is a matter of individual perspective.
So why is there suddenly a conflict if they can cross over? Why can't they just be equally valued alternates, in the same way that the unconnected ones are? Surely the characters in each one would still consider their own world to be the "main" one and the other world to be the secondary one. And you, as a viewer, are under no obligation to take a side in that difference of opinion.
If you like, just call one of them "Universe 1" and the other "Universe A."
Well, sure, but that's just a number. The only reason "Earth-1" is called that is because it happens to be the one the comics feature the most heavily. In fact, they got it backward back in the '60s, using "Earth-1" for the second, Silver Age continuity and "Earth-2" for the first, Golden Age one. So the numbers don't carry any actual hierarchical meaning. They're just arbitrary labels. And since both shows are going to be airing weekly for years to come (we hope), there's no reason for either one to have the same subordinate status that "Earth-2" always had in the comics.
Look, Marvel already does this. Their official list of "Earths" in the Marvel multiverse includes every last movie and TV and cartoon adaptation as its own distinct parallel reality alongside all the different parallel realities in the comics. Regardless of where they come from, they're all included as equal alternatives in the list of universes. Heck, the "main" one isn't even numbered Earth-1 -- it's Earth-616. So it isn't treated as any more cosmologically significant than any of the others.
Well again, for me it's not so much about hierarchy as the fact I'd prefer (if they actually do cross over), that Supergirl, Flash, Arrow and all the other main DC characters I love take place in the same universe. As they all typically have in the past.
And that they don't all have to cross through some crazy inter-dimensional porthole in order to visit each other.
And that they don't all have to cross through some crazy inter-dimensional porthole in order to visit each other.
They're not going to do the cross over until every one is sad that there will not be a cross over.
Basic psychological manipulation.
Currently the level of sadness has not spread far enough, or hard enough across the country for Greg to let us off the hook, where he can play the hero and pluck this cross over out of an impossible place, despite that he is only reversing a position of en trenched opposition that only he himself created and maintained.
Basic psychological manipulation.
Currently the level of sadness has not spread far enough, or hard enough across the country for Greg to let us off the hook, where he can play the hero and pluck this cross over out of an impossible place, despite that he is only reversing a position of en trenched opposition that only he himself created and maintained.
Sure, in theory, that would be nice, but I just don't see it working given what's already established. In the CW/Berlantiverse, superpowered heroes and villains are a novelty as of last year, while in Supergirl, Superman has been active and famous for over a decade. In her pilot, Supergirl explicitly says Earth no longer has "just one hero," and it's unlikely that she wouldn't have heard of such prominent figures as the Flash and the Arrow. Plus, in real-world terms, it's entirely understandable why CBS would want their show to be in a separate reality.
So it's just about managing expectations, or accepting the things we cannot change. Having them be in the same universe would be nice, but it can't possibly happen. But having their separate universes cross over, most likely through the dimension-crossing ability that we know the Flash will gain this season, is something that could happen.
"Typically" in what context? In the comics, sure, but it's far more rare in adaptations. Crossovers between different DC television shows are the exception rather than the rule, even in animation. The only full-fledged crossover universes in DC screen history have been the DC Animated Universe, the Berlantiverse, and the upcoming cinematic universe. Any other crossovers have been tenuous at best -- the various '60s Filmation shorts; Filmation's Shazam! and Isis (though Isis was an original TV character); the Salkind Superman and Supergirl movies; arguably the Burton/Schumacher Batman films and Catwoman; and the current DC Universe DVD-movie continuity alternating between Batman films and Justice League films. Otherwise, most DC screen productions have always stood apart from one another, even when they were in release at the same time (e.g. Filmation's Batman and Hanna-Barbera's Superfriends, Shazam! and Wonder Woman, Young Justice and Green Lantern: TAS, etc.).
But interdimensional travel is one of the Flash's long-established superpowers, one that will apparently be featured in the show this season. It seems perfectly natural for that power to open the door to a crossover.
So this happen, the shows will never cross over.
Speaking during the Television Critics Association press tour—via USA Today writer Gary Levin—CBS Entertainment president Nina Tassler has confirmed that Supergirl will absolutely not cross over with the CW’s DC shows. However, adverts for Flash and Arrow will run during Supergirl, and vice versa for shows on the CW.
Speaking during the Television Critics Association press tour—via USA Today writer Gary Levin—CBS Entertainment president Nina Tassler has confirmed that Supergirl will absolutely not cross over with the CW’s DC shows. However, adverts for Flash and Arrow will run during Supergirl, and vice versa for shows on the CW.
Hmmm.
What if they both met on a third show that doesn't belong to either of them, on a third network, or even a TV movie/animated movie that belongs to them evenly?
What if they met in Advertising a lot?
What if they both met on a third show that doesn't belong to either of them, on a third network, or even a TV movie/animated movie that belongs to them evenly?
What if they met in Advertising a lot?
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