Supergirl - Season Four

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by The Kai "the spy" Holiday Special, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. Happy Harleydays

    Happy Harleydays Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2003
    You literally completely ignored the point of the post and picked half a sentence out of context to go on a long ass rant against Clinton, Obama and the "American Left"

    Talk about blinders, eh? :rolleyes:
     
    Turtletrekker and Corpus Christi like this.
  2. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    May 24, 2006
    Location:
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    I still believe there might some brief reference when her family is introduced. It may not be necessary as we the audience accept her for who she is, but in-series, she--or her family--might refer to her transition. Then again, that depends on whether or not the writers already have her family being accepting.
     
  3. Reverend

    Reverend Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2002
    Location:
    UK
    ^Exactly what is the point in speculating on what a character's family members might or might not say before they've even been introduced?

    Anyway, as for the whole "female genetic trait" thing and how it relates to Nia's presumed transition: is it really that hard to believe that an alien species might have the expertise to alter a person's body on a genetic level to better match their gender identity? Hell, for all we know it's not a medical procedure at all but an innate ability of her species.

    Also remember that this is the show where people can defy gravity with no discernible means of propulsion, phase through matter, shoot lasers out of their eyeballs, and alter the outward appearance of their bodies at will...so really not all that far fetched if you stop to think about it.
     
    Romulan_spy likes this.
  4. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    So Kara did say in a previous episode that the DEO knows who she is.

    According to a user on reddit, one of the writers said that it will be addressed, they didn't provide a source or quote though, they just said Twitter. So grain of salt.

    Maybe the DEO can't reveal her identity without her permission? Some sort of confidentiality agreement?
     
  5. YellowSubmarine

    YellowSubmarine Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    I took it to mean that during the episode.
     
  6. Reverend

    Reverend Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2002
    Location:
    UK
    I've been going on the assumption that either J'onn, Winn or Alex erased all record of Kara's secret identity at some point between season 1 and now. I mean it's not like it would've been posted it in the staff cafeteria for all to to see or anything, it would have to have been encrypted, eyes-only information.
     
  7. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    The thing about gender is, we now understand that it's a lot more than a single genetic trait. There are multiple interacting genes and epigenetic factors that influence maleness or femaleness, and it's less a switch to be flipped than a compromise between the two competing influences, which is why many people end up somewhere between the two sexes. Also, the gender of the brain and psyche can be influenced in a different direction from the physiological sex of the body or the genetic sex of the chromosomes, which is how someone can end up with the wrong anatomy for their psychological identity. In Nia's case, since we're talking about a psionic trait, that would clearly mean that the gender of her brain is more a determining factor in her possession of the ability than the anatomy of her body. Presumably she was born with a female brain and a male or intergender body, and chose to alter her body to match her psyche.


    The problem with that is that in seasons 2 & 3, she spent a lot of time hanging around the DEO dressed as Kara rather than Supergirl, yet talking openly and loudly with J'onn, Alex, and Winn about Supergirl-related things.
     
  8. Reverend

    Reverend Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2002
    Location:
    UK
    You can file that little problem right next to "Kara changes into Supergirl in broad daylight where anyone or any security camera could catch a glance of her", "all she and Clark does is wear glasses in a world where facial recognition software is a thing" and "why was James allowed to walk around the DEO at all, ever?"

    It's a TV show. Sometimes narrative expedience and production practicalities needs to override objective logic.

    Also J'onn wiped everyone's memories.
     
  9. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    May 24, 2006
    Location:
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    ...and the only way around that is to say Clark and Kara change into their other IDs at lightning speed, thus rendering facial recognition useless...but I do not believe that's ever happened on screen, so someone should have a rather loaded file on them.

    Yeah...a reporter in a secret government facility. Even if he was there based on privilege granted through his friendship with Alex, he would never be allowed to just walk in there in the carefree manner seen discussing their business..

    '

    ...only if the issue is not too obvious. In other cases, one cannot forget what they're watchin, especially if a series established (as in the case of the DEO) that its not just some random office one can wander into, like...the DMV.
     
  10. Marc

    Marc Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2003
    Location:
    An Aussie in Canukistan
    shouldn't be a big deal for the DEO - after they all they go around hiding their true identity. Hello FBI calling.
     
  11. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    I'm starting to wonder about that. On the one hand, we've seen Alex still using her FBI cover ID this season -- but on the other hand, in "Rather the Fallen Angel," Supergirl was openly talking to Manchester Black, a civilian, about getting back to the DEO. So the show's giving mixed signals about the DEO's status.
     
    Phoenix219 likes this.
  12. Enterprise is Great

    Enterprise is Great Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2004
    Jessica Meraz cast as Menagerie

     
  13. thribs

    thribs Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2017
    The Elite aren’t villains as such. They were a group of heroes who went further than the JL, which the public approved of since they thought the JL was too soft.
     
  14. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA
    I don't see it as "checking off a box," but as simply reflecting reality. Why shouldn't there be a trans woman working at a large media company in a major metropolis? Heck, these days it would be kinda odd if there weren't.

    I saw a great quote the other day (from, I believe, SF author Mary Robinette Kowal) that such inclusions are not so much about "forced diversity" as erasing a "forced homogeneity" that was always an illusion to begin with.
     
  15. Scout101

    Scout101 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Location:
    Rhode Island, USA
    As to the secret identity thing: why is everyone suddenly looking and wondering? Isn't the point of Superman (and Supergirl) that they don't wear a mask, so it doesn't lead people to wonder who they really are? All of the sudden, they're all hot about it, but I don't recall that it ever came up that they even thought about her having a secret. Sure, she's not around 24/7, so must go somewhere, but why can't it be a Fortress of Solitude instead of a loft apartment mid-town?

    People wonder who Batman or Spiderman is because of the mask. Supergirl doesn't wear one, doesn't imply that she's hiding anything.

    Anyway, just felt like an odd topic to jump to for the characters...
     
  16. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 20, 2001
    Location:
    West Haven, UT, USA
    Kara and Clark don't have "secret identities" so much as dual identities.
     
  17. thribs

    thribs Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2017
    Yeah. Kara can just say she’s Supergirl all the time
     
  18. Untitled Hallmark Movie

    Untitled Hallmark Movie About to meet a magical stranger Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2001
    Location:
    Trapped by snow in a small town
    She transitioned because she's trans, it's as simple as that. You either accept that and do something about that or live in absolute misery. If her family knows and accepts her they have no reason to bring it up at all. It's extremely rude and traumatic for some trans people to have people constantly bring up their past. Doing it for the backstory is just providing details for people who don't have the most basic understanding of trans people and that can be solved by Google.
     
  19. Scout101

    Scout101 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Location:
    Rhode Island, USA
    Which doesn't address my point. What has happened to give anyone the impression that Supergirl HAS a dual identity? Suddenly, everyone is dying to know, but with her face exposed, there's nothing to imply she's hiding anything. Why would people wonder who you are if they can see your face? It's an implication of a mask, but she doesn't have a mask, gives the impression she's not hiding.

    I understand that we know she has an alternate life, but why would anyone in-universe? I'll just ignore that it's silly that no one can figure it out, since they've seen both Kara and Supergirl's faces, that's just a conceit you have to accept for the story.
     
  20. Happy Harleydays

    Happy Harleydays Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2003
    I'm not sure but I think she blurted that out in an interview to Cat Grant way back in season 1.