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Supergirl - Season Four

Rather sad episode with Black andLiberty being locked up.
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Hopefully it won’t be for long.
If what you mean is that taking them off the board would be a loss to the show, I have to agree. This storyline has proven incredibly fertile gound so far, so I was glad to see that the revelations and partial resolutions of this episode didn't seem to be presented as a conclusion, but rather as setting up the next stages of the ongoing narrative.
 
It's interesting how they've managed to incorporate so much of Manchester Black's story and character elements from the comics without giving him superpowers. He's an antihero-turned-villain who argues that it takes lethal violence to stop the bad guys and that Super(person)'s methods won't cut it. And even without powers, they came up with some clever ways for him to restrain Supergirl -- and I loved how she got out of the Nth metal trap.

Lockwood is a real piece of work. I expected that the fact that his wife was almost killed by a human and saved by Supergirl would make him question his bigotry at least a little, but like most modern bigots, he just doubled down and refused to consider anything that might require changing his mind. That's frustrating.

I'm also disappointed in President Baker. He hasn't turned out to be a villain himself as I thought he might, but he's shaping up to be a superficial, poll-obsessed chief executive who bows to public hysteria over good policy. And that's disappointing for me because I like Bruce Boxleitner and don't like to see him playing an unlikeable character. Still, that was quite an interesting twist the story took at the end, with the demand that Supergirl reveal her identity. It's kind of odd that she'd be so hardline about it now, though, given how cavalier she's been about it in the past with the entire DEO. Although Supergirl being out of the DEO could be a nice change. Being a free agent is more of a conventional superhero role, and if they pursue that, it could be reminiscent of season 1 when Supergirl was working with James and Winn out of an abandoned office in CatCo.

The teaser for Elseworlds was unexpected and delightful. I think I'll talk about it in the crossover thread, since it has no specific connection to Supergirl.
 
This is an unlikely prediction - I wonder if this is all leading to dismantling of the DEO completely? Supergirl working for it and the government never really made sense to me. It mostly was build on her relationship with Alex her own sister. Than later J’onn. Hard to see Alex staying on long after this.

I wonder if the writers are starting to reassess the format going back to the Pilot. As much as Superman is seen as a symbol of America, he never has had an official job with the government itself. With the show exploring aliens vs humans, maybe an government agency which fights aliens is not the best approach after this story is done. Plus the DEO until recently has been a vaguely defined backdrop. It’s a office building with mostly unnamed extras as agents. Supergirl, Alex, and J’onn are really who the plots involve. Maybe they will start their own private superhero/defense agency.
 
If they dismantle DEO completely, that will make Supergirl exactly like Superman. That was like her only unique thing.
They’ll change their minds and she will be back. That or she actually tells them.
If I was her, I would just make up a identity. Get Brainy to fake one
 
And even without powers, they came up with some clever ways for him to restrain Supergirl
Between Black's accent and the somewhat crummy sound on my local CW affiliate, I didn't quite catch the technobabble for how that dust bomb affected Kara. Can someone recap?
 
Between Black's accent and the somewhat crummy sound on my local CW affiliate, I didn't quite catch the technobabble for how that dust bomb affected Kara. Can someone recap?
Its moon dust; sharp enough to cut Kryptonian DNA. Oh nasty. You just got a lungful from one of those alien moons.
I didn’t catch the rest of what he said. Something about “nanometer holes”.
 
Like Christopher, I was surprised that the Prez and Col Haley don't know SG is Kara Danvers, Alex's little sister. Its not like the DEO hasn't known about her since she was a teen. Afterall, that's how they coerced Jeremiah into working for them in the first place.

I do wonder why the rest of the DEO didn't out her when the prez demanded her answer.
 
I'd definitely like Supergirl not being an owned and operated federal agent. Though the conversation with President Sheridan did give yet another point where I wished "Supergirl" a just-slightly-smarter show. Until Lockwood brought it up, had we ever heard anyone try the old "I must find Supergirl's secret identity!" thing before? I'd like if they'd referenced one of the smarter reasons given why Clark Kent's glasses work as a disguise; Superman doesn't wear a mask, so no one assumes he's hiding anything. It would've been nice if Kara just flatly replied, "Everyone knows my identity. My name is Kara Zor-El. I was born on Krypton. I have a job, I work for the DEO. I live in my cousin's crystal fortress at the north pole. I'm on-call 24 hours a day. I don't wear a mask. Why would anyone think I have a secret life?" Even if no one bought it, it'd make her seem less passive when faced by the grinding gears of the plot.

Between Black's accent and the somewhat crummy sound on my local CW affiliate, I didn't quite catch the technobabble for how that dust bomb affected Kara. Can someone recap?
Razor-sharp moon dust. Pure poison, as Cave Johnson found out the hard way. The dust particles' ultra-fine, jagged edges were sharp enough to cut through even Kryptonian flesh, and Manchester bet that if Supergirl breathed in a bit, she'd turn out to be a little more vulnerable on her insides.

By the way, for those of us who normally only watch Supergirl, could we get a heads-up on what shows are participating in next week's crossover, and what order they're coming in?
 
I haven't seen the episode yet, but the recap I read gave me the impression that Baker wanted her to go public with her true identity, Iron Man style, in order to keep her working relationship with the DEO intact.
 
I do wonder why the rest of the DEO didn't out her when the prez demanded her answer.
Though it's often seemed to be the case that everyone at the DEO knows Supergirl's secret identity, this episode tries to suggest differently. And for that matter, if everybody there knows, wouldn't Jensen have told the Graveses and Agent Liberty earlier this season? It's all rather sloppy and inconsistently presented, frankly.
 
By the way, for those of us who normally only watch Supergirl, could we get a heads-up on what shows are participating in next week's crossover, and what order they're coming in?
The Flash leads it off, taking over Supergirl's time slot next Sunday to do so. The crossover continues on that Monday's Arrow, and concludes on Supergirl on Tuesday (in Flash's normal time slot). Legends of Tomorrow is sitting this one out, and Black Lightning is not (yet) part of the Arrowverse.
 
She can not simply say her name is Kara Zor-El. Her human identity name is also Kara Danvers. When originally created she had a unique human name Linda Danvers. If the show had used that she could have publicly announced her birth name and keep her human identity secret.

I understand why the writers made that choice. Kal-El arrived as a baby and was raised as Clark. But Kara came to Earth as what 12 or 13. Kara is her identity. Which is why the show has struggled with her two identities. There is very little difference between the two. Most of her close friends have known the truth from the first episode.

I am not sure where this is leading. It hopefully a better understanding of how to define her two personas.
 
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I'd definitely like Supergirl not being an owned and operated federal agent. Though the conversation with President Sheridan did give yet another point where I wished "Supergirl" a just-slightly-smarter show. Until Lockwood brought it up, had we ever heard anyone try the old "I must find Supergirl's secret identity!" thing before?

Up to this episode, few seemed to care about discovering her identity, aside from the occasional suspicious glance from Lena.


Rather sad episode with Black andLiberty being locked up. Hopefully it won’t be for long.

I would not expect them to remain in jail.
 
One Crisis at a time @thribs.

The JSA disbanded in the 1950s rather than unmask for congress, meanwhile much later, Ronald Reagan asked everyone to unmask in Legends, a crossover from 1985.

Everyone in the Justice League stood down, except Batman.
 
This is going to start DC's Civil War.

That's what I touched on up thread--the idea of superpowered beings standing above mankind with no checks, or simply doing whatever they desire would send governments running toward control measures as in Captain America: Civil War, but I'm not certain this series will ever go there.
 
The mention of Lena above reminded me of something that was in the episode Ahimsa and that pretty strongly indicates that Kara's dual identity isn't as secret from Lena as she thinks it is: an L-Corp dossier of Alex that goes pretty in-depth into her relationship to Kara, especially in relation to Kara's powers.
 
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