Supergirl - Season Four

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  1. Christopher

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    I was a little disappointed that the "Dark Brainy" subplot just fizzled out like that. Jesse Rath was really scary in that mode, and I thought they were setting him up for a villain turn next season. It seems kind of a waste that he was still pursuing the same heroic goal, just more ruthlessly.


    She was still Kara Zor-El at the core. She believed she was serving a good cause, and she still had a conscience despite her indoctrination to value the collective over the individual.


    No, just the tease about the date of the Crisis in the newspaper headline moving up to 2019.


    I thought he was teasing that when he said "I have one more stop to make," but it turned out that was Lex. So we may not see him, but we'll certainly get some kind of Crisis tease. (Check the guest credits. I spotted LaMonica Garrett's name in them here in Supergirl last night, so I knew the Monitor would be showing up at the end.)
     
  2. thribs

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    I did like that Lex’s overall plan was simply to kill Superman.
     
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    One thing puzzles me. Why was Lex's body left behind?
     
  4. Noname Given

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    Yeah, I initially thought that too. I have never followed DC comics continuity much so I have zero clue as to who/what the Leviathan entity/being is, or how he/she/it relates to the DC comics universe.
     
  5. Christopher

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    Probably because people who commit murder aren't usually in a hurry to tell people about it. Everyone but Lena thought that Lex had already died.
     
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    Yeah But she could have claimed self defense and people would have bought it.
     
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    Given what was known of Lex in that Universe, she could have said: "Hey, I did the World a favor..." and they would have bought it. ;)
     
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    That was an OK finale, some of the stuff did seem to be setaside pretty quickly.
    The big one is Ben Lockwood, after having him play such a huge role in the beginning of the season, I was disappointed he was dealt with so quickly here. I kind of wish they had done an episode or two before this week that really focused on dealing with him, before moving on to Lex this week.
    I did like what they did with Lex, and having him still focused on killing Superman did feel right for the character.
    I finally looked up Brenda Strong, the actress who play Lilian Luthor, and she is only 5 years older than John Cryer.
    I was pretty happy with how Lex's whole storyline was resolved, I do agree it was a bit simple to have Kara's article be enough to turn everyone against Lex, but it wasn't enough to ruin the story for me.
    I figured there was a pretty good chance they'd kill Red Daughter, but I did not expect her to sacrifice herself to protect Kara from Lex.
    I definitely did not expect Lex to be the one to reveal to Lena that Kara is Supergirl. I'm curious if she is actually going to go full on villain like they appear to be setting up here, or if they'll resolve things with her before she totally turns on everyone.
    I did like that it was seeing Dreamer in pain that brought back the regular Brainy.
    Definitley some interesting set ups for next season.
    As for Leviathan, the only ones I found on the DC Wiki were a terrorist organization led by Talia Al'Ghul in the Batman comics, and a Legion of Superheroes villain.
    Did not expect the Monitor's appearance, it will be interesting to see what role Lex plays in the future.
     
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    I felt it was good for the most part but the idea of a news story bringing down the President was absurd even for this show in terms of being realistic. I suppose it does open the door up for a Lex(who the Monitor will save, I'm sure) vs Liberal candidate next season. Also Lockwood is still alive so maybe they still have plans for him. I do wish they would improve Supergirls fights. She can fly which is a cool power but they have her doing flips and hovering instead.

    Jason
     
  10. Christopher

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    I think they've spent a fair amount of time over the past few weeks building his arc to a climax. Really, the fact that his story had no resolution was sort of the point. Even after losing his son, he still refused to question his cause. Even after learning that he'd been manipulated by Luthor, he didn't reconsider his hate for aliens. He was trapped in his hate, unable to change, and that lack of anything more to add to his story was essentially the point. Even in that final shot of him in prison, he didn't seem too swayed by his son's words.


    Yeah, but it's a shame it had to be at such a remove, which was a bit clumsy. I hope that someday we'll get to see Cryer's Luthor and Hoechlin's Superman face off properly. Hopefully they're sorting out the contracts and schedules to make that happen in Crisis on Infinite Earths next season.

    Her line about cancer prematurely aging Lex was an attempt to handwave why Cryer is so much older than the storyline had previously established Lex to be (since we saw him in flashback as a teenager when Lena was about 4), although it doesn't really work, because we saw him in a number of flashback scenes set before he gave himself cancer.


    I've been expecting it for weeks. It's kind of a guideline for writers to look for the option that will cause the most pain and troubles for the characters, and in this case, that meant Lex telling Lena and casting it as betrayal before Kara could break it to her gently. (Similarly to how The Flash had Sherloque reveal Nora's secret to the team accusingly just before she could confess it freely and explain her side of it.)


    I really hope she doesn't turn villainous. People keep expecting that for some strange reason, even though Lena's role in the comics has traditionally been as the good Luthor, the pure one that Lex wanted to protect and keep innocent. And the show's Lena has proven a dozen times by now that she really wants to do good and escape her family's legacy, even if she's willing to venture into grayer areas than Supergirl would.


    I found this, which seems closer to the collective mind hinted at in the show:

    https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Leviathan_Entity_(Prime_Earth)

    But it only has one listed appearance in the comics.
     
  11. JD

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    ^That was part of the basis for the Talia's orginization.
    I just checked some of the new Action Comics issues' descriptions on Comixology, and apparently Superman and Co. are currently dealing with something also called Leviathan. Not sure if it's the same as Talia's or a different one, but it's probably what the show's Leviathan is based on.
     
  12. Christopher

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    I see.

    To repeat the question io9 raised about it, does that mean Talia will be the first major Earth-1 character to have an Earth-38 doppelganger featured? (We know they both have a Bruce Wayne/Batman, but he's not technically a character in these shows.)
     
  13. Kai "the spy"

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    The current Leviathan storyline sees the Leviathan organization taking out all the other DCU secret intelligence and/or terrorist organisations, like ARGUS, the League of Assassins, or the Cobra Cult. If the TV show were to take their cues from that storyline, it would spell doom for the DEO.

    Also, Talia isn't the head of Leviathan anymore.

    The new leader is a mystery character who is supposed to be a known DC character to be dramatically revealed. Last I heard was that it could be Jason Todd, but I bet that's a red herring. Certainly won't be Jason Todd on TV.
     
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    Now that the Batman mythos is being added to the Arrowverse, why couldn't it be? It'd be the Earth-38 version anyway.
     
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    Well, you'd need to explain who Jason Todd was. Not all of the audience will be aware of the character, and even after explaining it, there wouldn't be a lot of emotional attachement, as he'd be a new character to the show. It might be less awkward were the Batwoman show set on Earth-38, and they'd introduce the character over there, but I still don't think it'd work. Add to that Jason Todd being a recurring character in the "Titans" TV show as Batman's sidekick, making it even more unlikely for DC agree to introduce the character on "Supergirl" as a villain. So, while not completely impossible, it is very, very, very unlikely.

    And, again, I'm absolutely convinced that Jason's a red herring in the comics, anyway.
     
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    It's currently front and center for a Big DC event spearheaded by Brian Michael Bendis It's also been the main villain in DC's Silencer series.
     
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  17. Christopher

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    That's true of any character in any adaptation. The whole point of adapting a story to a new medium is to introduce it to a new audience, so every character needs to be established as if they were new. Heck, many of the Arrowverse characters actually are new -- John Diggle, Sara Lance, Harrison Wells, Joe West, Alex Danvers, Ava Sharp, Gary Green, Mona Wu, etc. Yet audiences didn't need prior familiarity with the characters to understand them. Stories reveal character. That's how stories work.


    Again, how is that different from literally every other character in the show? They were all new when they were introduced, by definition. Mon-El, Lena, and Lillian Luthor were new in season 2. Sam/Reign, Ruby, Saturn Girl, and Brainiac-5 were new in season 3. Ben Lockwood, Red Daughter, and Kelly Olsen were new this season. And so on. The only late-arriving characters who weren't new were Superman and Lex, because they'd both been influential offscreen presences before appearing.


    That actually makes sense. Shoulda led with that.
     
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    That stuff about her absorbing the “life force” from the plants was a bit silly. I don’t recall Kryptonians having that ability.
     
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    Frank Miller's The Dark Knight returns.
     
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    Ugh. You shouldn’t use that for anything. :)