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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3

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Kenny could actually work as a younger Jason from The Good Place.

Speaking of Chloe and weird, there's some strange stories out there about Allison Mack but so far they seem to be only in the British tabloids so not sure what to make of them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...allville-actress-second-command-sex-cult.html
EDIT: I see there's a thread on this in TV&Movies, so don't want to derail this one too much...
 
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Great episode and a great opportunity to free up the principal Supergirl cast to film their parts of CRISIS ON EARTH X
 
Yeah, even putting aside my oh-so-satisfying Chloegasm, it was a pretty great hour. The young actresses were remarkably convincing, evoking their adult counterparts so successfully that when we returned to the present, I felt I could see those teenage characters clearly in Benoist and Leigh. The episode did just what it set out to do, giving us a more tangible sense than ever before of where these characters came from and their history together. I especially loved the scene where Alex was facing down Bad Sheriff, and her stone cold certainty that Kara was coming, despite all their differences to that point.
 
Not a bad flashback episode. I'm not crazy about the fictional conceit of a single past event that provides the basis for everything we know about a character in their adult life -- it's more likely that such experiences would be accumulated over time -- but it worked reasonably well here. It makes a certain amount of sense that, given Alex's initial resentment of Kara's intrusion into her life, it would take something pretty big to overcome that and begin forging the unbreakable bond they have today. And I suppose it makes sense that Kara endangering Alex through the use of her powers would be the reason she was so willing to hide her powers for years.

I'm really impressed by the young actresses, both of whom were debuting here in their roles -- Izabela Vidovic as young Kara and Olivia Nikkanen as young Alex. They both bear a striking resemblance to the adult actresses, and managed to capture their mannerisms pretty well too. Really terrific job of casting.

The bit with J'onn impersonating Kara's mother and then pretending not to be her mother ("Agent Noel Neill," ha ha) was just weird. How did he know what Alura Zor-El looked like?

I fidgeted a bit at the Chloe reference. I don't mind the idea that a Chloe Sullivan character could exist in other continuities -- I think there was one in the comics for, like, a couple months before a reboot erased her -- but throwing in the "Wall of Weird" reference was a bit much. It might mislead some people into believing that Smallville took place in this same universe, which it clearly can't for several reasons, such as having totally incompatible versions of several characters (e.g. Jimmy Olsen, Kara Zor-El, J'onn J'onzz, the Luthor family, and the Toyman) and portraying Krypton very differently.


Great episode and a great opportunity to free up the principal Supergirl cast to film their parts of CRISIS ON EARTH X

Ohh, yeah, good point. I wonder, will the other shows do something similar? Maybe this week's Arrow will have a whole lot of Deathstroke flashbacks?
 
Yes, the J'onn disguised as Female FBI agent did not make much sense. I guessed it was going to be him. But Eliza does not even know he exists yet. You would think she have questioned how an FBI agent knew about Kara's powers. Unless "Agent Neil" claimed to be DEO. But Eliza should not be too trusting of the DEO either. Not clear if this was before or after she thought Jeremiah died. Either way the Real Hank Henshaw forced Jeremiah to join the DEO. She should not have been happy to have a DEO Agent masquerading as FBI Agent talk to Kara either.
 
I'm really impressed by the young actresses, both of whom were debuting here in their roles -- Izabela Vidovic as young Kara and Olivia Nikkanen as young Alex. They both bear a striking resemblance to the adult actresses, and managed to capture their mannerisms pretty well too. Really terrific job of casting.

I know. I was honestly squinting at the screen trying to figure out if they were really different actresses or if the show show was somehow using CG trickery to de-age Melissa Benoist and Chyler Leigh.
 
I don't mind the idea that a Chloe Sullivan character could exist in other continuities -- I think there was one in the comics for, like, a couple months before a reboot erased her -- but throwing in the "Wall of Weird" reference was a bit much. It might mislead some people into believing that Smallville took place in this same universe, which it clearly can't for several reasons, such as having totally incompatible versions of several characters (e.g. Jimmy Olsen, Kara Zor-El, J'onn J'onzz, the Luthor family, and the Toyman) and portraying Krypton very differently.
Well, as you point out, a moment's thought by anyone familiar with both continuities would make it obvious they can't exist in the same universe. I do think, however, there's evidence accumulating that some version of Smallville's backstory for Clark -- not the details, but some of the broader strokes -- may be part of this continuity's history. After all, they've also referenced Clark and Lex being friends before Lex's turn to the dark side -- a well-established bit of comics lore, granted, but unique to Smallville among previous live-action adaptations.

(Now I'm hoping the Earth-38 version of Chloe will actually make an on-screen appearance at some point.)
 
Not clear if this was before or after she thought Jeremiah died. Either way the Real Hank Henshaw forced Jeremiah to join the DEO.

It was about a couple of years after Jeremiah went missing. Remember, we heard Alex say that she no longer had a father.

And "Neill" claimed to be an FBI agent.


Well, as you point out, a moment's thought by anyone familiar with both continuities would make it obvious they can't exist in the same universe.

If everyone based their conclusions on thought and evidence, the Internet would be a much quieter place. The problem is, a lot of people don't, and that's where the confusion comes in. That's certainly true when it comes to fictional continuity. Some fans will latch onto the vaguest connection to insist that two separate continuities are really the same one (just as some will latch onto the vaguest inconsistency to insist that two shows within the same continuity are in alternate universes).
 
What if Earth 38 Chloe Sullivan was played by Emily Bett Richards? Meaning she is Felecity's doppelgänger. The similarities between Chloe and Felicity are hard to ignore.
 
I know. I was honestly squinting at the screen trying to figure out if they were really different actresses or if the show show was somehow using CG trickery to de-age Melissa Benoist and Chyler Leigh.
I did that a little bit too with the actress who played the young Alex. Very good likeness there.

What if Earth 38 Chloe Sullivan was played by Emily Bett Richards? Meaning she is Felecity's doppelgänger. The similarities between Chloe and Felicity are hard to ignore.
I wouldn't mind that. I'd love to see Chloe show up whether she's played by Rickards or not.
 
Well, I didn't realize Kara was a fiery little shrew when she was a teen, especially with the way she twisted that jock's arm. She was insolent when she talked to Mother Danvers. Funny, she always struck me as a mousy little goody two shoes, and I was under the impression she was always like that.

These writers and producers certainly don't shy away from controversial topics like statutory rape. I guess I come from a generation where inappropriate touching was only talked about in after-school specials. Now teens having consensual sex with their teachers seem to be the recurring theme on primetime TV.

I cannot stand Gwen Stefani songs. She has a horrible gurgly voice. Way to end the show.
 
I know. I was honestly squinting at the screen trying to figure out if they were really different actresses or if the show show was somehow using CG trickery to de-age Melissa Benoist and Chyler Leigh.

It was very good casting. Certainly more convincing than Jake Lloyd turning into Hayden Christensen.

Well, I didn't realize Kara was a fiery little shrew when she was a teen, especially with the way she twisted that jock's arm. She was insolent when she talked to Mother Danvers. Funny, she always struck me as a mousy little goody two shoes, and I was under the impression she was always like that.

Yeah, I thought her physical abuse was out of character; I could not imagine young Clark Kent ever being abusive to anyone in that way, and do not remember it from any of the Superboy stories of the Golden - Bronze Age (of any title), at least.

These writers and producers certainly don't shy away from controversial topics like statutory rape.

Except it really was not addressed at all--not the consequences of an adult preying on a child/teen. It was not the "A" story, but it was sort of shoehorned into this episode as a sidline version of the "Very Special Episode" format. Still, the overall handling of the flashback was solid B+ work.

I cannot stand Gwen Stefani songs. She has a horrible gurgly voice. Way to end the show.

Agreed. She's a hack.
 
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Well, I didn't realize Kara was a fiery little shrew when she was a teen, especially with the way she twisted that jock's arm. She was insolent when she talked to Mother Danvers. Funny, she always struck me as a mousy little goody two shoes, and I was under the impression she was always like that.

She lost her family and her whole world only 2-3 subjective years earlier. And in that time, Alex has been hostile to her instead of supportive, so she feels alone and trapped in an alien world. And losing Kenny, her only friend, would naturally upset her deeply. In context, her attitude makes perfect sense. If anything, it's impressive that she wasn't a total wreck.


These writers and producers certainly don't shy away from controversial topics like statutory rape. I guess I come from a generation where inappropriate touching was only talked about in after-school specials. Now teens having consensual sex with their teachers seem to be the recurring theme on primetime TV.

Although the writers here took a much more unambiguous stand against it than Riverdale's writers did -- perhaps because that situation was a female teacher seducing a teenage boy, and society still has trouble seeing it as rape when the victim is male.
 
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