Supergirl is a powerful hero that is not a physical match for Superman, unless of course sexist writers need to dumb Superman down to build her up.
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Supergirl is a powerful hero that is not a physical match for Superman, unless of course sexist writers need to dumb Superman down to build her up.
lulz. What an obvious double-standard. They're both Kryptonian, and their powers derive from that fact alone. Either they're both gods, or they're both only powerful heroes.
So is she.
, the ultimate male power fantasy,
So is she.
Rumour has it she's "super".
Because men should never defer to women since they have more upper body strength on average?
How do you know this is true for Kryptonians?
You're talking about human averages.
It's not about shape, it's about skill. I've done some martial arts in the past and can take down plenty of men who are stronger than me. The latest Supergirl episode just shows that Superman has become really complacent on Earth and relied on pure strength, neglecting his technique. Lazy bum. Or maybe she's just so much better because she has a real talent for martial arts while his true talent would have been to play the piano.
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There isn't a systematic oppression of men so it's not a fair comparison. Men hold most of the power in all aspects of society. Yet they oddly get supersensitive when this is insulted or their own sexism is used against them.
Superman isn't real, he's a tool to tell stories. If the writers want a story where Supergirl is stronger, then Supergirl is stronger.
That's not a great defense when hypocrisy is exposed. Even if there is a systematic oppression, that is not a license to be sexist (or racist if applicable) in the other direction. In a way, it would even be worse given that the so called oppressed would know how it feels to be that way. If one is to believe that sexism is not ok, then that shouldn't mean "sexism IS ok as long as it's against men."
What is odd is that people that get offended at the thought of sexism are fine with sexism as long as it's against men.
No one is arguing that Superman is real. But he has always been the ultimate force for good, and to have him be a submissive to Supergirl, which is what he was in this episode, is out of character with the nearly 80 year history of who he is, and while these writers can write what they want, it's extremely weak to have to weaken Superman to boost Supergirl. It changes the character from Superman to Superwimp, and that's not actually Superman. If a writer is going to take a character and write him out of character, why use that character at all?
You take the best woman fighter in the world, and put her in physical hand to hand combat with the best man in the world, and she would be taken out of commission faster than it would take you to read this sentence. That's not sexism. That's nature.
I'm not sure how many times people will have to tell you that Superman and Supergirl are not human. So human nature does not apply.
So you have women in the real world who can outfight men stronger than them, yet it's this what bothers people, not the fact that two non-humans, despite having the exact same body structure as a human, can withstand bullets, car hits, missile hits, can fly (with no wings), shoot lasers out of their eyes (with same eye anatomy), hear and see through walls, and can pretty much run circles around any human at any time. For a human to do any of that, she would have to get wing transplants (hurts as hell), a shell of neutronium (do you know how heavy that thing is?), actual lasers in her cranium (guess which part you need to remove to install the laser) and WiFi.
Oh my, that's speciesist. I'm done watching until they start respecting humans.
P.S. I'm offended that when Kara threw Clark, and when he threw her, they left no cracks in the concrete causing all that water to drain. Such blatant disregard of physics...
Oh my, that's speciesist. I'm done watching until they start respecting humans.
P.S. I'm offended that when Kara threw Clark, and when he threw her, they left no cracks in the concrete causing all that water to drain. Such blatant disregard of physics...
Well, that's settled.
Then this doesn't matter since Superman isn't real by your own admission. He's a fiction and can be written in any way desired.
Reverse sexism and racism does not exist. The oppressed have no ability to oppress their oppressors.
It's not odd, you don't understand sexism.
I've read stories where Superman is evil, a Communist, a brutal dictator, a puppet of a dictator, a normal human, dying and a centaur. No one has a problem with any of those, some are celebrated as some of the best stories about Superman. Yet him getting beat up by a member of his own species is a step too far? Superman isn't disminished by this, I don't see him as a "Superwimp". Have you ever considered that you personally have an issue with the idea that man could ever be inferior to a woman in any way because you've invested your identity in being superior to women?
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Those are humans. Superman and Supergirl are Kryptonians. Aliens with unique abilities and physical capabilities different than humans. In nature, the male is not always stronger than the female. It's entirely possible that Kryptonian females are stronger than males, it just has never come up often because our two main examples are cousins with a friendly relationship. In fact, as shown in previous pages, there is actually a long history of Supergirl beating Superman in fights. I'm sorry you've invested your ego in a cartoon character, but that's just how it's written.
Gender relations seem to cause a lot of anxiety when preconceived notions are threatened.
That's simply false. If you discriminate against someone on the base of race or sex, you are engaging in racism or sexism. What you are doing here is rationalizing hypocrisy. Hating someone because they are white is racist. If you hate someone because they are a man is sexist.
Actually, I do. I also understand hypocrisy.
You've seen alternate versions of a character, not the mainstream version or what is supposed to represent that. The Superman that we saw here is supposed to actually be Superman, not some influenced version.
As for your last question, despite the personal insult of it, the answer is no. Have you considered that you have a chip on your shoulder because the idea that the average man is physically superior to the average woman annoys you and that only in fiction can that not be reality?
Or maybe you have some dislike of men, and wish you lived in a fantasy world like this where men are so submissive?
Yes, and Superman is physically bigger and stronger, has been active longer, has fought and beaten opponents far tougher than Supergirl, and has been exposed to the yellow sun much longer.
As for Kara besting Superman in fights, Superman always holds back. From the first Action Comics, he trained himself to pull his punches. It's very rare he goes all out. And when he does, nothing stops him. The closest was Doomsday, and he came back from that.
Of course, when you have a bunch of PC writers trying to make themselves feel enlightened, you might have some changes here and there, but that's not how the characters were conceived. When compared to each other, Kryptonians are very much like humans. Just with a lot of power.
Superman would stronger than Supergirl just like most men are stronger than most women. Likewise, Krypto the superdog would have heightened sense of smell that Superman wouldn't have. I'm sorry if that gets in the way of your wishful thinking, but that's the way nature works.
Gee, you'd think some people have never seen a woman beat up a guy.
Look, if the show were called Superman I'm sure they'd have let Clark win.
Exact same reason that the decision to use the Luthor machine against Rhea had to be Kara's and hers alone. Exact same reason that no one but Kara could participate in the final beat-down on that skyscraper - Clark and J'onn had to be given back-up assignments down the street.
Because the show is Supergirl.
Look, if the show were called Superman I'm sure they'd have let Clark win.
Exact same reason that the decision to use the Luthor machine against Rhea had to be Kara's and hers alone. Exact same reason that no one but Kara could participate in the final beat-down on that skyscraper - Clark and J'onn had to be given back-up assignments down the street.
Because the show is Supergirl.
The only wishful thinking is your own. You keep going back to nature when this is fiction. Superman is not real.
Since when did this become hate. A woman beat up a man and penises were insulted. That isn't hate.
If you did you wouldn't be trying to protect your male ego because one cartoon character beat up another one.
So what?
Nope.
Wrong again. I do find your use of submissive interesting though.
Clearly you're wrong because Supergirl won.
You're trying really hard to justify this in your head.
Based on what? The comics where Supergirl beat up Superman. Those were part of the mainstream DC universe.
Krypto is a dog, Superman and Supergirl aren't dogs. I'm sorry that a woman is constantly having to correct you on science and comics, but that's just how this works.
That statement is completely fallacious. Superman is not one of the men used in those stats. Supergirl is not one of the women used in them. Most does not mean all, and standard logical rules do not apply when probabilities are involved. I promise you, if you ever tried to use logic with probabilities you'd could almost any insane thing you like. Even if your premise was true (it isn't), there's nothing that necessitates Superman to to be stronger than Supergirl.
Oh, and you're ignoring the central rule of what humans find interesting: If most men did something, nobody would be interested in these man or the something. We love stories that centre on the unusual, not the usual. It's true in fiction, news, photography, cookery. Now, I'm not sure how to check if that applies to a franchise about a man who could leap over tall buildings in a single bound... I wonder, is that a usual thing or not?
It's not only common sense, nature works in the fictional world too. Under a red sun, based on size and experience alone, Kara would have no chance. There is no reason that wouldn't hold true on Earth, when Superman has the same physical advantage, and 25 more years under the yellow sun.
That very comment alone is sexist.
Reverse it. "A man beats up a woman, and vaginas are insulted."
Another sexist comment. Calling out bad writing has nothing to do with a male ego. If that were true, please explain how Supergirl's victories over other male opponents didn't generate this response.
It's not about a woman beating up a man. It's about Supergirl beating Superman, and the writers going out of their way to make Superman into some submissive wimp.
If Superman has to be weakened to make Kara stronger, then that's simply bad writing.
It says they don't trust themselves to actually have Kara show strength on her own.
They could have accomplish everything in this episode without damaging Superman.
Yeah, because of bad writing, writing Superman out of character, and an inability to write Supergirl as strong in her own right without the need to weaken Superman.
It's a knowledge of the character.
You mean where Superman held back due to his upbringing and concern for human life and preventing collateral damage? Those comics? Or when unchecked, he does throw Supergirl around like a rag doll?
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Another sexist comment. You must really have a hatred for men.
I don't have an issue with a woman scientist or comic reader. But you are still not correct here.
You also missed the point. Yes, Krypto is a dog, and like dogs and humans, dogs have a greater sense of smell. Superman is more muscular, more experienced, better trained, and stronger than Supergirl. No chance she could actually beat him without some writers choosing to write him out of character and wimpify him, which is what happened here.
Are you seriously trying to argue that the writers didn't write Superman out of character by using what the writers wrote?
Not really the best technique.
No. You keep insisting fiction and reality are the same, they are not. Your insistence is simply a sexist assertion that men must be superior to women. Reality does not bear this out and fiction has no need to.
Superman is an in shape, well trained combatant with greater size and experience than Kara, and is physically larger and in his prime. This really isn't complicated, except that the writers decided to weaken Superman to make Supergirl look stronger. Not everyone in the audience has a sexist chip on their shoulder that can't accept that a man in general is physically more powerful than a woman. I'm sorry if nature gets in the way of feminism, but that's the way it is.
Would Kara be superior to other males from other species'? Of course. The problem here is that she beat Superman, and then the rest of the episode Superman runs around telling everyone how much stronger Kara is than him.
See there's another sexist comment, and an argument against something I did not say. I did not say that men must be superior than women. I say that physically, the average male is physically superior to the average female, a fact of nature.
If they would have had Kara figure out a solution to a problem that Superman didn't think of, there wouldn't be any issue at all, unless of course they spent the entire episode with Superman running around saying that Kara was so much smarter than him. But that would be bad writing. The situation in this episode could have been handled much better without damaging Superman.
It's interesting how people have a deep knowledge of relative strength level between two sexes of a fictional alien species. As far we know, female Kryptonians just process solar energy better than the males. Or Kara, after spending more time on Krypton, has better developed her muscles in greater gravity.
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