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Yes. It's from a story arc in the 2003 Superman/Batman title by Jeph Loeb. Darkseid wanted a new Fury, and he chose Kara. At the time, Supergirl was built up as being stronger than Superman and by extension, stronger than her alternate universe counterpart, Power Girl.
Did I miss Guardian in this episode? I missed a couple of minutes but I don't think he was in it. I know a lot was going on but it would've been nice to see James suited up with Superman given their history. Maybe Superman could even suggest he add some color to the suit.
completely absent though Cat Grant mentioned him.
one of those instances where there probably wasn't any way to really fit him in (or he could have been cut for time).
That these people never watched Buffy? and grew up to accept Woman can kick ass
Look lets not beat around the bush, we all know why some people on this board have an issue with it. They are sexist, plain & simple. You can believe your not but the rest of us know you are.
There is no "rest of us"--only your knee-jerk insults when you cannot accept that other see the series of double standards and poor execution in this series. As noted time and again, Dawn of Justice did not need to weaken, belittle or have the film's namesakes trash their own known character traits in order to make Wonder Woman appear strong. Each character was allowed to live up to their abilities and shine--as it should be in any adaptation. There's no spinning that fact, so if Supergirl's showrunners need to reduce Superman to a ethically challenged--essentially weak character to inflate Supergirl's status, its the result of the showrunners being utter failures at creating a strong character based on her existing traits, or, they are using this series to push a decidedly misandrist position. Take your pick, or continue insulting board members.
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As usual, James was kicked to the curb. More than anyone else, the Guardian should have been on the ground fighting Rhea's soldiers instead of the bleh appearance of the White Martians. Instead, he's stuck in an office with Cat. The point of James ever taking on the role was that he felt he was not satisfied helping others through friendship and/or his photography alone. He needed to do more, so, when alien threats drop in on his front lawn (of sorts), who else would anyone expect to be the first to engage the soldiers?
Of course, with James being pushed into a corner most of the season, he's rarely been written with any are or respect.
Superman having "God Mode" enabled is clearly cheating too
As I pointed out earlier... I am not an expert in the superhero genre, so I googled "Can Wonder Woman..." and like a good little google it filled in the rest of the question for me "... beat Superman?"
And the answer?
Oh yeah.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/6-heroes-who-had-their-asses-thoroughly-kicked-by-wonde-1752478328
Oh, and by the way, she's not the only one who's done it to the "Champion of Earth."
https://moviepilot.com/posts/3359129
Now I wonder... when those other {male} superheroes cleaned Superman's clock, was there a hue and cry about Superman appearing weakened purposely to aggrandize the victor? I mean... a hue and cry when the victor wasn't a Green Lantern rodent (#8).
So I see no problem with Kara besting Kalel, whether it was a "lucky shot / uppercut" or just "superior fighting skills" learned after 2 years of fighting Alex and a slew of her own super powered villains.
As for James Olsen he actually was in this episode. He was protecting Cat Grant in the CatCo building when the Daxamite/Superman fight flew into the building and broke that pink leopard in the middle of CatCo's main office. I actually wondered, the first time I saw it, if the sculpture's innards was made of lead and if James was going to scoop up the broken pieces and skewer the Daxamite with it.
Wish he did, it would have made a nice reminder of his relationship with Clark/Kalel.
Other things I liked in this ep?
My man, Winn Schott.
Loved his fanboying over the arrival of Superman, tripping over Alex like she wasn't there to get to him, and his sotte voce "I love you".
Loved his interaction with Lena Luthor, handing her the right instruments without her spelling them out, bragging about how good he was in a crisis right before jumping like a jack rabbit at a nearby explosion, then taking Lillian down with that worst of all Schott curses... I don't like you!"
Other funny asides... Clark correcting Cat Grant's use of fatal "Life Savers" with the generally more accepted "Light Sabers", not to mention Kara's double take that Cat had never seen Star Wars. Also liked the idea that the Himalayas have Wi-Fi.
Oh, and Supergirl did "wake up long enough to fly Superman, herself and Alex" to the Fortress, and I've decided sequestering them there was to keep the rest of the world safe when he woke up.
Can't wait till next season.
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I have another suggestion: you can drop this fantasy accusation that "Nevertheless, She Persisted" did anything whatsoever to "diminish" Superman's character.
Only this portrayal is the opposite of the ethical character presented in decades' worth of comics. Not only would he not sit back as his adopted home world is threatened, but the entire Lois dialogue made him seem indecisive, if not morally bankrupt. The D.C. Movie Superman behaves like his comic counterpart, right down to feeling he carries a great weight of responsibility for protecting humanity.
As I pointed out earlier... I am not an expert in the superhero genre, so I googled "Can Wonder Woman..." and like a good little google it filled in the rest of the question for me "... beat Superman?"
And the answer?
Oh yeah.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/6-heroes-who-had-their-asses-thoroughly-kicked-by-wonde-1752478328
Oh, and by the way, she's not the only one who's done it to the "Champion of Earth."
https://moviepilot.com/posts/3359129
Now I wonder... when those other {male} superheroes cleaned Superman's clock, was there a hue and cry about Superman appearing weakened purposely to aggrandize the victor? I mean... a hue and cry when the victor wasn't a Green Lantern rodent (#8).
So I see no problem with Kara besting Kalel, whether it was a "lucky shot / uppercut" or just "superior fighting skills" learned after 2 years of fighting Alex and a slew of her own super powered villains.
As for James Olsen he actually was in this episode. He was protecting Cat Grant in the CatCo building when the Daxamite/Superman fight flew into the building and broke that pink leopard in the middle of CatCo's main office. I actually wondered, the first time I saw it, if the sculpture's innards was made of lead and if James was going to scoop up the broken pieces and skewer the Daxamite with it.
Wish he did, it would have made a nice reminder of his relationship with Clark/Kalel.
Other things I liked in this ep?
My man, Winn Schott.
Loved his fanboying over the arrival of Superman, tripping over Alex like she wasn't there to get to him, and his sotte voce "I love you".
Loved his interaction with Lena Luthor, handing her the right instruments without her spelling them out, bragging about how good he was in a crisis right before jumping like a jack rabbit at a nearby explosion, then taking Lillian down with that worst of all Schott curses... I don't like you!"
Other funny asides... Clark correcting Cat Grant's use of fatal "Life Savers" with the generally more accepted "Light Sabers", not to mention Kara's double take that Cat had never seen Star Wars. Also liked the idea that the Himalayas have Wi-Fi.
Oh, and Supergirl did "wake up long enough to fly Superman, herself and Alex" to the Fortress, and I've decided sequestering them there was to keep the rest of the world safe when he woke up.
Can't wait till next season.
The Cat Grant / Star Wars jokes (and the fact that she has never seen them) becomes sooo much more hilarious when you realize who the actress is married to....
Supergirl could have beat Superman if (even under the Silver K influence) he subconsciously held back a little.
Yup. But he thought he was fighting Zod. He wouldn't have held back at ALL.
I said SUBCONSCIOUSLY. Physically, his eyes saw Supergirl, so somewhere in his brain it may have registered. Consciously, he was fighting Zod
Nobody liked her?
"Look! Our Queen is dying!"
"Yeah... it's very unfortunate that the teleporter is, err, jammed..."
"...yep, very unfortunate"
"(I liked the King)"
"(Me too)"
After watching the fight, its hard to excuse Supergirl beating a fully powered, supposedly going out all, fighting mad Superman, but thats exactly what happened and in his rage it was a weakness she exploited.
He was brawling getting in close quarters and they were trading punches for a time, then she changed tactics towards the end to dodge and block, she see's him about to take a full swing, 'ducks', and sucker punches him as he's off balance. So the knockout blow and win is credible. Bit like a boxer who overextends himself, gave a opening in his defences and she took advantage.
However having him highlight the fact during the rest of the episode that she's stronger yada yada is what i have issue with. No chance in hell. He has far more time under a yellow sun. She has used up her solar reserves twice so far since the series started so should be in recharge mode unless Supes off screen has done the same ?.
It would have been better if Superman said its best you go, It's your City/Friends and Family, you beat me fair and square, for her to turn round and say well Superman you weren't yourself, the Silver K was affecting your mind and judgement and i got a lucky shot in, but it was a close fight.
He was brawling getting in close quarters and they were trading punches for a time, then she changed tactics towards the end to dodge and block, she see's him about to take a full swing, 'ducks', and sucker punches him as he's off balance. So the knockout blow and win is credible. Bit like a boxer who overextends himself, gave a opening in his defences and she took advantage.
However having him highlight the fact during the rest of the episode that she's stronger yada yada is what i have issue with. No chance in hell. He has far more time under a yellow sun. She has used up her solar reserves twice so far since the series started so should be in recharge mode unless Supes off screen has done the same ?.
It would have been better if Superman said its best you go, It's your City/Friends and Family, you beat me fair and square, for her to turn round and say well Superman you weren't yourself, the Silver K was affecting your mind and judgement and i got a lucky shot in, but it was a close fight.
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Theory.
His body has been processing solar energy for a quarter of a century longer than she has.
Like a used up saggy rubber band with no more ping.
Or...
His body, after 35 years is building up a "small" tolerance to Solar radiation.
In either case, in part, Kara is stronger because she is younger than Clark.
Or? Maybe girls are always stronger than boys? Their solar converter gland, could be twice the size of the male version of what they got.
Maybe Clark was lying?
Oh.
Kara has real muscles from living the first half of her life under a red sun. Clark is a jelly Fish, or like Melora from Deep Space nine (Alien from a low gravity world dealing poorly with regular Earth gravity.), if their level of super strength is arrived at from multiplying their non enhanced strength against sunlight.
Local Weather?
National City is sunny, and Metropolis is over cast and rainy.
His body has been processing solar energy for a quarter of a century longer than she has.
Like a used up saggy rubber band with no more ping.
Or...
His body, after 35 years is building up a "small" tolerance to Solar radiation.
In either case, in part, Kara is stronger because she is younger than Clark.
Or? Maybe girls are always stronger than boys? Their solar converter gland, could be twice the size of the male version of what they got.
Maybe Clark was lying?
Oh.
Kara has real muscles from living the first half of her life under a red sun. Clark is a jelly Fish, or like Melora from Deep Space nine (Alien from a low gravity world dealing poorly with regular Earth gravity.), if their level of super strength is arrived at from multiplying their non enhanced strength against sunlight.
Local Weather?
National City is sunny, and Metropolis is over cast and rainy.
God forbid that a woman ever outshine a man, especially on a show called SuperGIRL. Doesn't matter that she's the main character, they had to demean a fictional cartoon character that the male audience have attached their egos to so that's awful and not just having the main character shine because she's the main character.
While I agree the "Supergirl is more powerful than I am..." aspect IS weak/dumb - I think you're analysis of DoJ fails to take into account that in that final fight; Superman was still reeling a bit from the Kryptonite - and Batman (being a normal Human with a high degree of athletic prowess and martial arts (and other forms) or fight training - Is objectively weaker then either Superman or Wonder Woman when it comes down to it. Until they decide to do it - we really don't know if the DCCU Wonder Woman is anywhere near as strong or stronger than Superman. A writer COULD do the same thing there that they did in 'Supergirl' here IF it suited the needs of their story.
To me - what was MORE disturbing was the line they gave to Superman saying basically (and I'm paraphrasing): "If it came down to the fate of the Earth or the life of Lois Lane; I'd probably choose Lois..."
I mean come on - the Supergirl writing staff felt the need to make Superman BOTH physically and morally weaker than Supergirl? Please, just no.
The sexism here is by the writers, who in the last two episodes have gone on a man-hating rampage. Could you imagine if there was a scene where the lead characters had a conversation with the president, a man, about how having boobs makes you inferior, and that as men, they should be better than that?
That's what happened on Air Force One in last week's episode, except it was man bashing.
And sorry, but the idea that Supergirl being younger than Superman, who is basically a god, and therefore stronger is comical. We aren't talking about just any character here. This is Superman, who is the reason Supergirl was even created. Superman is the ultimate hero and the ultimate force for good. The sexism here is the writers feeling that the only way they can make Supergirl strong is to make Superman weak.
No one is saying she shouldn't be the main character. But to have Superman defer to her like that, weakened like that, and then to kind of rub it in throughout the episode was absolutely absurd.
I wouldn't care if Superman was 60 years old, he would still wipe the floor with her. It's not about male ego. It's about a reality check. It's not sexist that the average male is physically stronger than the average female, and Superman is no average male.
It doesn't matter that Supergirl was in shape either. You take the top female tennis player in the world and she wouldn't stand a chance against the 200th best male.
Back in the 1970s, the greatest so called victory for women on the tennis court was Billie Jean King beating Bobby Riggs. Riggs was 56 years old at the time and Billie Jean King was the number 2 woman. They had to make special rules, in favor of King to make it happen. Riggs only got one serve, as opposed to two, and King had a wider court to work with. Oh, and rumors are he threw the match for gamblers.
A few months earlier, Riggs had played the number one woman in the world and wiped the floor with her.
If the only way to build your main character on Supergirl is to have her tear down the greatest fictional hero ever, that doesn't say much.
Kara SHOULD have been in that fight, but they should have done it without making Superman look like a wimp.
Xena didn't need to beat up Hercules to be a badass.
So, Superman is a god. What's Supergirl, a mortal?
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