Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Mr. Adventure]

I've heard this might be Winn, but I'm hoping it's Kara. I'd still like to see her follow up on her statement last season that she wanted to date Lucy Lane.

Superman would be more interesting and progressive/provocative. Maybe he could hit it off with Lance Lane.

I think Alex would be almost too easy. "Alex", short hair cut, physically tough, plays right into the stereotypes and potentially adds an unwanted subtext into her relationship with Kara.

 

[Christopher]

Sometimes a casual throwaway expression of admiration is just a casual throwaway expression of admiration.

Obviously, but that doesn't mean I want it to be...

 

[Marc]

M'Gann is only J'onn's "niece" in Young Justice, and even there that particular characterization decision never made much sense because they're from two completely different species.

In one episode (late season 1 where there's great deal of distrust about amongst the younger team, Miss Martian's familiar ties to J'onn J'onzs is raised. He responds that he's not actually sure she's related as he has 200 odd nieces and nephews.

 

[JD]

I didn't realize how old Sharon Leal was when they first announced her casting, I guess this won't be the traditional teenage Miss Martian. The idea of introducing her as an adult love interest for J'Onn rather a teenage mentee is interesting. I wonder if they'll have any kind of history on Mars? If they do go in that direction, that is.

 

[Christopher]

I didn't realize how old Sharon Leal was when they first announced her casting, I guess this won't be the traditional teenage Miss Martian.

Well, she is a shape-shifter. Her appearance doesn't have to reflect her actual age.

 

[JD]

Good point.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I've heard this might be Winn, but I'm hoping it's Kara. I'd still like to see her follow up on her statement last season that she wanted to date Lucy Lane.

Sometimes a casual throwaway expression of admiration is just a casual throwaway expression of admiration.

Exactly.

Christopher, I know you have mentioned this desire for Kara to be gay before, but that's not going to happen with a longstanding member of the Superman family, and all that brand means to DC/WB. Over the decades, the only characters were said to be gay were usually lower B or C-list characters such as the Alan Scott GL the 2nd Batwoman or Iceman. Comic companies (and adaptations) feel they're playing it safe by changing characters of that level, but you are unlikely to see flagship characters such as Superman, Batman, Captain America, or Spider-Man go in that direction. Supergirl is not an "A" list character, but she's been popular enough with various creators to use her in a film, and live and animated TV series, so that higher profile status to the general audience--along with carrying that "S" shield brand--means it is less likely DC/WB would do anything that might cause controversy or a radical audience perception change. Like it or not, it would, since SG is not only promoted as role model for females, but the series is not shy selling her as the "girl next door" that a part of the male audience finds appealing / approachable, or a dream fulfillment.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Exactly.

Christopher, I know you have mentioned this desire for Kara to be gay before, but that's not going to happen with a longstanding member of the Superman family, and all that brand means to DC/WB. Over the decades, the only characters were said to be gay were usually lower B or C-list characters such as the Alan Scott GL the 2nd Batwoman or Iceman. Comic companies (and adaptations) feel they're playing it safe by changing characters of that level, but you are unlikely to see flagship characters such as Superman, Batman, Captain America, or Spider-Man go in that direction. Supergirl is not an "A" list character, but she's been popular enough with various creators to use her in a film, and live and animated TV series, so that higher profile status to the general audience--along with carrying that "S" shield brand--means it is less likely DC/WB would do anything that might cause controversy or a radical audience perception change. Like it or not, it would, since SG is not only promoted as role model for females, but the series is not shy selling her as the "girl next door" that a part of the male audience finds appealing / approachable, or a dream fulfillment.

Also, in the pilot episode, Winn thinks her big secret is that she's gay, and she says that it's not her secret (It's being Supergirl) Now, it could be retconned, but seems like Kara made a straight up denial... and really, we've seen her become interested in Jimmy Olsen. so now, thinking about it more and more, it's really shoving an agenda contrary to something established to the character.

Now, did they say Supergirl, or just one of the DC shows.... if so, I vote for Oliver... realizing how bad his relationships with women are ... and sur ethere are some other rationalizations as well

 

[DigificWriter]

They didn't specify which show the "newly LGBT" character would come from, or who said character would be, meaning that pretty much anybody who's still currently alive and hasn't already been established to be LGBT is "fair game".

Also, this is actually something they wanted to do this past season on whichever show they're doing it on, but didn't have the narrative room to do.

 

[Christopher]

Christopher, I know you have mentioned this desire for Kara to be gay before, but that's not going to happen with a longstanding member of the Superman family, and all that brand means to DC/WB.

Oh, don't take my idle musings so seriously. I'm not saying I believe it will happen, I'm just saying it'd be cool if, hypothetically, it would happen.

And come on, this show has an openly gay showrunner (Ali Adler) and executive producer (Greg Berlanti), and it's had several characters literally refer to Kara "coming out" as Supergirl. They're already clearly using Kara as an allegory for the gay experience, so I think that having Kara say "I want to date her" -- and the actress not inflecting it as sarcasm -- was a bit of a wink-nudge to the LGBT-friendly segment of the audience. So I'm entitled to express the wish that they could be free to make it overt. Not the belief that they will, just the wish that they could. After all, optimism is what this show is all about.

 

[dahj]

Also, this is actually something they wanted to do this past season on whichever show they're doing it on, but didn't have the narrative room to do.

Other than Supergirl, all the shows were treading water at some point during last season.

 

[DigificWriter]

this show has an openly gay showrunner (Ali Adler)

I didn't know Ali was lesbian.

 

[Nerys Myk]

M'Gann is only J'onn's "niece" in Young Justice, and even there that particular characterization decision never made much sense because they're from two completely different species.

Where was it said they were different species? My recollection of the comics has them as the same species with variations of skin color.

 

[kirk55555]

Where was it said they were different species? My recollection of the comics has them as the same species with variations of skin color.

In the comics, the two martian species natural forms are very different (same with Young Justice, which made the Green/White martians even more different physically then the comics usually do). The White Martians are (from what I remember) usually classified as something like a sub species, think the Andorians and Aenar but with a bit more physical differences.

Its definitely more then just, say, the differences between races on Earth.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In the comics, the two martian species natural forms are very different (same with Young Justice, which made the Green/White martians even more different physically then the comics usually do). The White Martians are (from what I remember) usually classified as something like a sub species, think the Andorians and Aenar but with a bit more physical differences.

Its definitely more then just, say, the differences between races on Earth.

But still the same species from what you've said.
My first experience with White Martians was in the Justice League of America, where they looked just like the Green Martians.

 

[kirk55555]

But still the same species from what you've said.
My first experience with White Martians was in the Justice League of America, where they looked just like the Green Martians.

In Young Justice, and every single DC comic I've seen them in, they looked a lot different then a Green Martian (sometimes with more triangular heads and lankier bodies in the comics, and YJ had them as taller, bulkier and with weird protruding muscle bits)

 

[Nerys Myk]

This was my first White Martian

Not exactly the guys with mouths in their bellies.

 

[Thestral]

In Young Justice (the cartoon) and any comics based on it they are the same species and don't look significantly different in their "natural" state. At least in that take on the DC-verse, @Nerys Myk is definitely right.

The only real difference between Green, White and Red Martians is skin color - which is a pretty superficial difference, of course, genetically, but a significant difference historically and culturally on Mars.

Of course, on Mars-16, the White Martians aren't a separate species - and they're only a different "race" if you are using the word "race" the way we Earthlings do to distinguish Caucasians from Africans from Asians. And certainly, the White Martians are not monolithically evil.

Oh, and for the record: M'gann IS J'onn's niece. She didn't lie about that. M'gann's mom (i.e. J'onn's sister) is green. Her dad is white. Most of M'gann's siblings are also green, though she has one white brother.

ETA: deleted the k5s quote, didn't want it to look like I was singling you out.

 

[kirk55555]

In Young Justice (the cartoon) and any comics based on it they are the same species and don't look significantly different in their "natural" state. At least in that take on the DC-verse, @Nerys Myk is definitely right.

I was talking about the cartoon, and yes they do. They look like giant bats with muscles splitting their skin open. That's a bit different from Green martians.

 

[Thestral]

I dunno what to tell you man. I provided Weisman himself clarifying that they're the same species and the only real difference is pigmentation.

But here's some visual evidence too:

M'Gann in her White Martian form.

Green Martian B'arzz O'oomm with his Beetle Scarab removed.