You are going off pure conjecture. Unless you have solid proof that this is the case then you should retract your statement as being factual.
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You are going off pure conjecture. Unless you have solid proof that this is the case then you should retract your statement as being factual.
Whoa whoa whoa...WHERE were the transforming robots in the Trek trailer because I wanna see'em!!!
I see it all the time. People will quote Abrams or make a comment about some photos about the movie etc and the response is always the same "Did you see the movie yet?" This is the year 2009. We have the internet. You have the ability to read interviews, see promos, trailers etc. Yet sound judgments can't be made? Come on already.
If people couldn't figure how bad Battlefield Earth was going to be...it goes without saying. Another Time travel movie, why? Two words "reset button".
If people couldn't figure how bad Battlefield Earth was going to be...it goes without saying. Another Time travel movie, why? Two words "reset button".
A reset button is almost essential if you're going to go back and tell a compelling story about the original characters. Otherwise we already know there's no danger - everyone lives, Earth is safe, etc. Think about it.
A compelling story would of been one that didn't have to involve Time Travel. Nero going back in time changes the time line. There was no time travel in any of the Star Wars prequels. Whether you liked them or not. They were the "story". It didn't have to be some "going back in time changing everything etc etc". Since they did that they can do another movie of just fixing the mess. Go back again and change it again. So what is the point really? Reset button episodes (and now movies) are just "safe" things to do. No guts to tell a real story and move things forward.
I don't follow... I agree that the Da Vinci Code is a piece of crap, but I don't see the correlation. People like the subject matter of 'Code, Angels & Demons is actually more of cliche with the secret society.
What is the cliche in Trek exactly? Time travel doesn't really qualify, it would be like saying the "religion" in Da Vinci Code is cliche... that's not specific enough to consitute a "cliche".
Move forward? The only way to move forward in the old Trek-verse is post-Voyager, and the 24th century is rather dull by comparison with the 23rd. There's a lot of TOS-era stuff left to explore, but if you don't throw in some degree of re-booting then there's no tension whatsoever. Everyone already knows what will happen.
I'm not even sure what Battlefield earth is, but chances are I'm not going to act like a movie is an abomination based off of a 30 second clip. Its one thing to not be interested in a film but its another to say its Transformers meets episode 1 when you havent even watched it.
Yep, that ones about about a decade too old for me to relate to
There's a lot of TOS-era stuff left to explore.
Really? So we need to have ever little thing explained to us? Are we going to find out who Kirk took to his prom too because that is important?
Everyone already knows what will happen.
EXACTLY! No guts to try something new. A reset button movie. It is actually quite sad.
Really? So we need to have ever little thing explained to us? Are we going to find out who Kirk took to his prom too because that is important?
Everyone already knows what will happen.
EXACTLY! No guts to try something new. A reset button movie. It is actually quite sad.
I'd add that this isn't a reset-button episode. This is more or less a total franchise reboot. Like JuanBolio says, at this point they pretty much have to reboot to have actual tension to tell stories in the period they want to tell stories in, and it's also a convenient way to update things.
And thanks for the screencaps and gifs, everyone.
I'm not even sure what Battlefield earth is, but chances are I'm not going to act like a movie is an abomination based off of a 30 second clip. Its one thing to not be interested in a film but its another to say its Transformers meets episode 1 when you havent even watched it.
Do you really think that Trek fans haven't done more "homework" then just watching a 30 second clip? Come on!
I don't understand why people have to wait for the accident to happen before saying or doing anything.
Do you really think that Trek fans haven't done more "homework" then just watching a 30 second clip? Come on!
I don't understand why people have to wait for the accident to happen before saying or doing anything.
Well he implied time travel was boring (presumably because it has been used so many times before). Time travel is a cliched Trek plot device - they have whole compilations of Trek episodes dedicated to it! I brought up the Da Vinci Code which has loads of cliches in it from the first page to point out that a cliche, in and of itself, is not always a bad thing. I always enjoy time travel stories for one.
You're not getting my point. Exploring any new TOS stuff is dramatic suicide when without some kind of reboot we know who will and what will be perfectly safe. No guts to try something new? Re-booting MAKES it new. What could they have done, in your opinion, that would be "new" and still put the characters and that which they defend in actual jeopardy?
I'd really like to hear what you think might've been better.
Perhaps because..wait for it...they haven't SEEN the film. For example, everything I heard about Underworld Rise of the Lycans made me think it was going to be a crap movie. Turns out i was wrong *shrug* Now what you are doing is pre-judging a product that you haven't even used yet. Now its one thing for you to not go see it in theaters because you dont think youll enjoy it. Thats fine, but don't expect people to take your ranting seriously if you havent actualy see it.
Time travel stories are boring. It has been done to death. In Treks case they do a "what if" story line and then go back to the beginning via time travel with nothing changed. It is boring as all hell now.
If you look at some of the best Trek episodes they clearly move things forward and don't rely on "gimmicks". Best of Both Words, Inner Light etc and lets not forgot a huge chunk of DS9.
So in the next movie we have Sulu going back in time to prevent Mero from changing the time line. Showing us how "Sulu" the bad ass become the navigator of the ENT? Or having Chekov going back in time to stop "Fero" from changing the time line. Showing us how Chekov was not raised in Russia instead went to Australia to become the tactical officer of the ENT. I mean this is endless nonsense. At least with STII, STIII, STVI you got a STORY. Something that couldn't easily be fixed with a "sling shot affect around the sun".
If you look at some of the best Trek episodes they clearly move things forward and don't rely on "gimmicks". Best of Both Words, Inner Light etc and lets not forgot a huge chunk of DS9.
So in the next movie we have Sulu going back in time to prevent Mero from changing the time line. Showing us how "Sulu" the bad ass become the navigator of the ENT? Or having Chekov going back in time to stop "Fero" from changing the time line. Showing us how Chekov was not raised in Russia instead went to Australia to become the tactical officer of the ENT. I mean this is endless nonsense. At least with STII, STIII, STVI you got a STORY. Something that couldn't easily be fixed with a "sling shot affect around the sun".
Again...with so much that is known you still have to wait for the accident. Meanwhile thinking that this philosophy negates peoples points about the film when they use a trailer, an interview or some other fact about the movie.
There shoudn't of been a new movie. Especially this Star Wars prequel band wagaon mess. Abrams should of started with a new TV show first. Say 5 seasons, then take that series to do movies. Remember DS9 was great because it "Stood on its own 2 feet" and didn't have to rely on the "gimmicks" to sell it. It was good enough on its own. A series that went beyond TOS. Is that such a big thing to ask for now?
Let me ask you, would you have done this or what idea do you have?
There shoudn't of been a new movie. Especially this Star Wars prequel band wagaon mess. Abrams should of started with a new TV show first. Say 5 seasons, then take that series to do movies. Remember DS9 was great because it "Stood on its own 2 feet" and didn't have to rely on the "gimmicks" to sell it. It was good enough on its own. A series that went beyond TOS. Is that such a big thing to ask for now?
Let me ask you, would you have done this or what idea do you have?
Why would the SW prequels involve time travel when the stories were conceived at the same time as their predecessor's? Since we're talking about Star Trek (not Star Wars), I think we can all acknowledge that fact of time travel and the ease at which it's used in the 23'rd century. Could the circumstances of this movie in regard to time travel presumably happen again? Of course. And who says they haven't already? Time travel has long been a part of Trek lore, and it's a bell you can't un-ring at this point. That's fine to be uninterested in a time travel story, but to say Paramount is playing it safe right now is laughable.
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