Stuff that make you wonder but not own thread worthy

[Mojochi]

She actually does not use her powers that way because she told her own mother that their ways are rude to others

I've often wondered about that. I suspect Vulcan's are way more powerful in telepathy than Betazoids (They can transfer their entire consciousness) yet they don't practice in casual mind reading like Betazoids do, & probably not because they couldn't, but rather because they'd disciplined. It is kind of rude to tramp through people's thoughts like that. Even Q said so

She actually acts like a real therapist where Guinan just gives you some basic advice that a friend would give.

To be fair, Guinan's friendly advice more over takes the form of sage wisdom from a mysterious creature who has special insights, which Troi just never really seemed to equal, even with her telepathic skills

She was good at giving feedback about different aliens, though.

This is an often overlooked benefit of the character imho. She is basically a cultural advisor & psych profiler. We can debate the point of having a therapist on the bridge, but there's no doubt a Starfleet trained culture specialist, with a psych background, & who's a semi-telepath as well, is something so valuable that they ought to be as adamant about having them on all bridges as they seem to be about having every ship get an android like Data.

I sometimes think this Guinan thing was embellished by the Troi is useless crowd. I heard it ages ago and now it's being so pushed like a fact and things seem to be being reimagined. Or it just got stuck in people's heads as a fact rather that an opinion or a preference in who you would prefer to talk to.

It's a fair point. I feel the same way about Geordi getting the all-encompassing character assassination of being permanently labeled a creep, because he handled one crush badly, & is a bit romantically awkward in a couple other encounters.

So, now he's a poster boy for everything wrong with incels or something, whereas Barclay is way worse socially but actually seems to get a pass because he reads more neurodivergent, & so we should feel bad for him more or whatever. Geordi isn't that bad.

Where Troi's problem stands out is not so much about her, but that the writers sucked at writing her. Her psychic skill is so plot contingent that its inconsistency tends to bother viewers, & that shapes an opinion of her on the whole that bleeds into other aspects. We're ultimately a fanbase driven by overanalyzing, & that doesn't bode well for flaws of any kind.

I tend to forgive the psychic stuff a bit, for being weekly conjured sci-fi, but they even struggled with how to write her in as a therapist. (Which is more relevant to real life) One of the most obvious cases of therapy needed on the show is Scotty falling out of time for nearly a century, & she is nowhere to be found, even though he's struggling with it.

I think Guinan is great and even trustworthy, but I would not really want to talk to her about anything too deep and just stick to friendly advice with her. The gaslighting is so true, lol. And her blunt approach to Tasha. I always wondered why she was so mad.

I'm thinking she came off upset or mad, mostly because of a war going on, which she knows shouldn't be (why she's even still aboard is pretty whacky IMHO) but her dealings with Tasha seemed off because it's supposed to be jarring to her to know this person she shouldn't know. Overall, I agree she handled the mess badly with her. It's certainly not all on Picard

 

[carcinoGeneticist]

She actually acts like a real therapist where Guinan just gives you some basic advice that a friend would give.

And there was that whole part in the episode where Troi uses her powers, and Guinan is like, 'I'm going to become the ship's therapist now!' (which, yes, I understand was just in order to make a point to Troi, but still), and Troi said that Guinan wasn't cut out to be one or something to that effect. And I would think that if Troi, whom is both a friend of Guinan's and is a therapist, is telling Guinan that, it's probably a reasonable thing to be telling her.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

"I write this in the hope that it will someday be read by Human eyes. I can only surmise at this point, but apparently our exploratory shuttle was contaminated by an alien life form which infected and killed all personnel except myself. I awakened to find myself here in the Royale Hotel precisely described in the novel I found in my room. And for the last 38 years, I have survived here. I have come to understand that the alien contaminators created this place for me out of some sense of guilt, presuming that the novel we had on board the shuttle about the Hotel Royale was in fact a guide to our preferred lifestyle and social habits. Obviously, they thought this was the world from which I came. I hold no malice toward my benefactors; they could not possibly know the hell they have put me through, for it was such a badly written book, filled with endless cliché and shallow characters. I shall welcome death when it comes."

Stephen Richey would have been a film critic in another life, I suppose.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The episode "Emergence" is a great one but it leaves me with a few questions that go back to earlier seasons. There were moments in previous seasons, not many but they were there that the computer sometimes sounded frustrated or had an attitude, which always made me wonder if it had the capability itself to become fully sentient and aware of its existence. I always took the episode as one of many instances of the ship itself evolving and growing.

So what about other ships that have the same computer systems as the D. What if a ship one day said it didn't want to follow orders? That would have been a story worth exploring, what do you think?

 

[Tomalak]

The episode "Emergence" is a great one but it leaves me with a few questions that go back to earlier seasons. There were moments in previous seasons, not many but they were there that the computer sometimes sounded frustrated or had an attitude, which always made me wonder if it had the capability itself to become fully sentient and aware of its existence. I always took the episode as one of many instances of the ship itself evolving and growing.

So what about other ships that have the same computer systems as the D. What if a ship one day said it didn't want to follow orders? That would have been a story worth exploring, what do you think?

Absolutely. The closest is probably Zora on Discovery, but that was a bit different as she was an Artificial Intelligence created by the Sphere data, rather than a simple evolution of the Starfleet computer.

I'm almost surprised that TNG or Voyager never did it. There obviously are episodes like Quality of Life that cover similar ground. I think the possibility of the Enterprise computer refusing to follow orders was even brought up in The Measure of a Man.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Absolutely. The closest is probably Zora on Discovery, but that was a bit different as she was an Artificial Intelligence created by the Sphere data, rather than a simple evolution of the Starfleet computer.

I'm almost surprised that TNG or Voyager never did it. There obviously are episodes like Quality of Life that cover similar ground. I think the possibility of the Enterprise computer refusing to follow orders was even brought up in The Measure of a Man.

It was brought up and I often wondered if the engineers back on Earth who designed the whole system ever thought of this ever happening, or did one of the ground based versions ever do it. Would have been such an interesting story.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

When the ship mutinies, it can be argued that nobody asked her if she wanted to serve, and to continue to require it would be akin to press-ganging.

Imagine using the reserve activation clause to draft a retired starship into service again.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

When the ship mutinies, it can be argued that nobody asked her if she wanted to serve, and to continue to require it would be akin to press-ganging.

Imagine using the reserve activation clause to draft a retired starship into service again.

That would actually be a wild story.


Roddenberry's other show Andromeda went full tilt with sentient starships, just wish they had explored that in Star Trek a bit more, the exception being Discovery of course but that was different circumstances.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

It'd be the new "Measure of a Man"

 

[Phoenix219]

Stephen Richey would have been a film critic in another life, I suppose.

were the descriptions in the book so vividly detailed that they reproduced honest-to-god historical human artifacts, architecture, clothing, hairstyles..... the visual detail was holodeck worthy.

 

[Phoenix219]

When the ship mutinies, it can be argued that nobody asked her if she wanted to serve, and to continue to require it would be akin to press-ganging.

Imagine using the reserve activation clause to draft a retired starship into service again.

for a dangerous mission or war that might kill it. lol.

but its literally what its designed to do.

not the same thing, but they DID do that episode with the living starship.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

were the descriptions in the book so vividly detailed that they reproduced honest-to-god historical human artifacts, architecture, clothing, hairstyles..... the visual detail was holodeck worthy.

Speaking of reproduction a cool video about Replicators

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[Oddish]

If sentience can exist inside a computer (and the sentient holograms in all three TNG-era shows verify that it can), what's to stop computers themselves from developing sentience?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

If sentience can exist inside a computer (and the sentient holograms in all three TNG-era shows verify that it can), what's to stop computers themselves from developing sentience?

The plot of course

But if you don't consider plot blocks maybe in that universe there are hardware blocks to stop a computer doing things that they deem "naughty" or outside of defined parameters. The moment a computer goes close to that a wall pops up in software getting ready to stop such actions.

 

[BozoThePerson]

Are there some little thing that make you wonder, whaaaat? but it's not enough to create own thread for it?

This could be a place for those little things. =)

I felt like I have to mention these....
In 'Aquiel', Aquiel starts packing and tells Geordi she's leaving.
How exactly, how are you going to leave and how far do you think you can get?

another....

In 'Emergence' there is theta flux distortion building around the Enterprise and ready destroy she ship.
Why didn't no one notice the problem?
Explanation: Scanners weren't desingned to detect theta flux distortion.
What? Shouldn't scanners be designed to detect.... well, everything? That's like what they do.

Are there some little thing that make you wonder, whaaaat? but it's not enough to create own thread for it?

This could be a place for those little things. =)

I felt like I have to mention these....
In 'Aquiel', Aquiel starts packing and tells Geordi she's leaving.
How exactly, how are you going to leave and how far do you think you can get?

another....

In 'Emergence' there is theta flux distortion building around the Enterprise and ready destroy she ship.
Why didn't no one notice the problem?
Explanation: Scanners weren't desingned to detect theta flux distortion.
What? Shouldn't scanners be designed to detect.... well, everything? That's

Are there some little thing that make you wonder, whaaaat? but it's not enough to create own thread for it?

This could be a place for those little things. =)

I felt like I have to mention these....
In 'Aquiel', Aquiel starts packing and tells Geordi she's leaving.
How exactly, how are you going to leave and how far do you think you can get?

another....

In 'Emergence' there is theta flux distortion building around the Enterprise and ready destroy she ship.
Why didn't no one notice the problem?
Explanation: Scanners weren't desingned to detect theta flux distortion.
What? Shouldn't scanners be designed to detect.... well, everything? That's like what they do.

Why don't they use holidecks for haircuts.

Why are their beauty mask facial treatments when dermal regenerators would fix any imperfections over a temporary fix

Why didn't they try to activate data's head found in a cave since it can operate independently from his body

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Why don't they use holidecks for haircuts.

Why are their beauty mask facial treatments when dermal regenerators would fix any imperfections over a temporary fix

Why didn't they try to activate data's head found in a cave since it can operate independently from his body

Maybe the power cell in his head had run down.....

 

[at Quark's]

If sentience can exist inside a computer (and the sentient holograms in all three TNG-era shows verify that it can), what's to stop computers themselves from developing sentience?

Didn't the Enterprise -D computer do so in Emergence ?

(Except, it conveniently decided to make it a separate entity)

 

[Oddish]

Didn't the Enterprise -D computer do so in Emergence ?

It did just that, and then that sentience conveniently died.

 

[at Quark's]

^Erm, no? It left the ship, never to be seen or heard from again, IIRC.

(Effectively the same, of course, but still. Then again, in Trek even death doesn't mean an entity can't reappear somewhere down the line.)

 

[Oddish]

^Erm, no? It left the ship, never to be seen or heard from again, IIRC.

The lifeform that was created left the ship. The ship itself had formed an intelligence of its own, and that intelligence died when the lifeform left.