Stuff in movies you realized in retrospect was horrible

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  1. Jayson1

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    You know what is also strange in "Back to the Future 2" is how did the government allow Hilldale get taken over by Biff the way he does. He literally must have bought the courthouse, a government property to build his hotel and you got a tank just going around town. Of course I wonder why Biff is even living in Hilldale once rich. That is when you move to NY or LA or France or something.

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  3. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That's one of the less strange things to me. Rich people doing whatever they want and controlling government officials is very realistic.
     
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  4. USS Triumphant

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    Fisher Stevens playing an Indian roboticist in the "Short Circuit" movies.

    The whole movie "Soul Man". I mean, I *still* think it was an okay flick trying to make a good point or two, and it was a nice outing for James Earl Jones, but it remains true that the main character is a white guy in black face most of the movie.
     
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

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    The bit in ST III where Uhura locks "Mr. Adventure" in a closet just because he made a smart remark about her career.

    Yeah, sure, Mr. Adventure was being a dick, but he doesn't deserve to get locked in a small room (who knows how long he was stuck in there, without food or water. And what if he was claustrophobic?) just because he tried to make small talk.

    And I don't buy the argument that Uhura did it to keep him from interfering in the little conspiracy that Uhura had going with Kirk and company. Mr. Adventure was a junior officer, he couldn't possibly have the authority to keep Uhura from doing anything. And she's bigger than him, so he couldn't physically keep her away from the controls.

    No, I'm forced to assume that Uhura locked him in the closet out of sheer spite.
     
  6. Mojochi

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    There's a LOT to find awe inspiring about the situation in Close Encounters of The Third Kind, which has always been a childhood favorite of mine, but in hindsight, the whole thing is just a nightmare.

    A woman has her child traumatically abducted, but more ominous is that Roy Neary becomes consumed with obsession over his experience, & it turns out he's not alone. The aliens have implanted imagery & tonal communications in their minds, & there's really no knowing how much of the obsession was implanted or just normal human drives to solve it, but when they are scooped up by the military & Lacombe, there are others who, when they are put on a chopper to be taken away, they just go, proving that Roy's obsession is on par or greater than that of a woman who is desperately trying to find her kid.

    He's basically trashed his entire family over this, causing frustrations & breakdowns, & then, in the end, when everything is resolved, he gives not one thought about the 3 children he has, before leaving them behind, maybe forever, who knows?

    Even Spielberg has come out to say he regrets that aspect now. I imagine he always had, to some degree, because it seems to me no coincidence that the main cast in the somewhat sequel-esque E.T. The Extraterrestrial are a single mother, laboring to raise the exact same types of children as Roy Neri abandoned (Two sons a couple years apart & a younger daughter) who might have even been roughly the same age as Neri's kids, by the time of E.T. some years later.

    In hindsight, Roy Neary is a hard protagonist to get behind, & the worse tragedy is that his wife is portrayed as the difficult one, which happened to poor Teri Garr a lot during that 70s/80s period of her career, playing wives or mothers that the audience was supposed to find shrill & uncompromising

    Oh God!
    Close Encounters
    Tootsie
    Mr. Mom
    Let It Ride

    It's like her name was at the top of the list for any part that had a woman/wife/mother being a pain in the ass to the male protagonist
    Now that I think about it, isn't Tootsie the trans version of Soul Man?
     
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    It will be decades for Neary's family, while for him it will be less time. The pilots from 1945 were described as not having aged, looking much as they did when they disappeared.

    For Aladdin (2019), it was deemed inappropriate for Jasmine to show her midriff.

    "The (animated) movie was done in 1992. We wanted to modernize the movie and some things are inappropriate these days for families," says "Aladdin" producer Dan Lin.

    So there was a rule on the "Aladdin" set to make sure the movie achieved that goal: "No midriff," Lin says.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-bare-her-midriff-covered-aladdin/1213171001/
     
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  8. grendelsbayne

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    Him being unable to stop them doesn't mean they can just leave him loose. As soon as they're gone, he can alert the authorities to unauthorized activity. Putting him out of the way was always going to be a necessary part of the plan.

    And I really don't think you have to worry about him being stuck in there for long. As soon as they make their getaway, Starfleet Security would begin to piece together how they did it, they'd track the logs to see where they transported from and go there to find out how they were able to use the transporter without authorization. I'm not sure exactly how long they were on board the Enterprise before making the big getaway, but he's looking at a few hours at most, I'd say.
     
  9. JirinPanthosa

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    In Broken Blossoms (1919), the main character is a Chinese man played by a white actor with his eyes mostly closed.
     
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    Bolded part made me laugh, as the actor went on to star in one of the Deathstalker sequels.
     
  11. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I would like to think that, at the very least, Uhura found some way of informing Starfleet of Mr. Adventure's whereabouts, so that he could be found and rescued. Although, given how obviously angry at him that she was, I'm not gonna hold my breath.

    That said, I'm wondering why Uhura didn't simply phaser-stun him from the get-go. If her plan was always to lock him in the closet, why bother even making the demand? If he refused, she'd shoot him anyway...
     
  12. grendelsbayne

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    Just because something is 'safe' doesn't make it foolproof or pleasant. Getting locked in the closet is probably a lot more gentle and desirable to most people than getting stunned. And why shoot a person who's cooperating? What she did is literally merciful, not vindictive.

    Not to mention, phaser fire alarms actually existed in that era, so being forced to shoot him could possibly have ruined the plan (again, depending on how long they needed aboard the Enterprise to secure their escape).
     
  13. JirinPanthosa

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    In the case of Soul Man though, the white actor isn’t playing a black person, he’s playing a white person pretending to be black for personal advancement. It’s no different than Tropic Thunder.
     
  14. Jayson1

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    I haven't seen "Soul Man" but I have heard about. One thing about "Tropic Thunder" and why I felt it worked was because the movie was making a point about Hollywood racism and ego drvien actors. On one had they would literally hire a white actor than a black actor to a point of having one in black face but also the actor was method that he was trying to stay in character at all times to some decree. In fact you never see Downey Jr outside of black face except in those opening clips of past work.

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  15. Avro Arrow

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    Seriously, was he even “locked” in the closet? Uhura told him to get in, he did. The door opened on his approach, then closed behind him. No one else went near the closet for the rest of the scene. I suspect he just sat in there as told because she had the phaser, not because he was actually physically barred from leaving.

    And Uhura says she’ll have him eating out of the palm of her hand, which implies she is going to interact with him further after Kirk & Co. leave, rather than just taking off and leaving him sitting in there.
     
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  16. Jayson1

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    I agree. I bet soon as Kirk and company beamed off she opened the door and let him out. Seeing as how she wasn't arrested I am guessing they came to a understanding. If he died in that short period of time in the closet he was probably to dumb to live anyways and he would have gotten what he deserved.:)


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  17. Finn

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    That's bullshit. Just because Mr. Adventure was a junior officer doesn't mean he has to stand by. As Uhura wasn't his supervisor, he had every right to ask her to wait while he checked with his supervisor. Technically, Uhura wasn't part of the spacedock crew...
     
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

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    How so?

    Both Uhura and Mr. Adventure were working at the console. She is the superior officer. Therefore, she IS his supervisor.

    True, she was not permanently assigned to that station (which was on the surface, BTW, not Spacedock), but she did request a posting there.
     
  19. Finn

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    What?....I need to rewatch that movie. It has been a while
     
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    The dialog indicates that Uhura had requested to be posted there at the transporter station in "the hind end of space." She was at that console in an official capacity.



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