Stuart Baird

[EnriqueH]

I'm just annoyed that the movie is considered misogynist, which is so laughably ludicrous that I can't believe it has been suggested.

Your dreary hyperbole aside, I suspect the key here is the meaning of "misogynist". It's a word that's being thrown around a lot lately, often used synonymously with "sexist", which is rarely helpful. Do I think Skyfall as a work, or the people who made it, hate or despise women? No, I don't have any reason to go that far. Do I think they were at the very least a tad sexist, if only by dint of sloppy/uncaring work when they made all their female characters pawns or dolts? Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.

So Mallory, Kincade, Q, and Tanner weren't pawns or dolts, eh?

2) I'm far more concerned about the afro as an entirely frivolous liability in combat than I am about not being able to disappear into a crowd. But that is annoying also, as the point of the Craig interpretation is that he's fundamentally a bit of a rogue, so to have this newbie flouting any sensible grooming standards doesn't help - either she's as much a rogue as Bond, which makes him less interesting, or everyone at MI6 who tolerate that sort of bone-headed hairdo is themselves moronic. Both options are bad.

This isn't John Le Carre. This is Bond.

Still, it could be argued that she was being fashionable and trying to blend in as a Westerner?

Either way, you're grasping at straws.

 

[Lance]

The timecode/poor quality of the released deleted scenes is deliberate. Movie studios routinely don't give best quality versions of deleted scenes out on DVDs and the like, precisely because they don't want people out there doing 'phantom edits'.
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I can't speak to how accurate this declaration is, but it's also a very easy thing to say because we all have our inflated idea about how much fans care enough about some movies to even make a phantom edit. I don't know that I believe that this is the only reason the timecode was left on, but I can tell you that it's probably just as much (if not more so) because all the other post-production accoutrements -- sound spotting, music spotting, color-correction, visual effects, etc. -- clearly haven't been applied to those deleted scenes either. I could simply be a matter of the scenes having been included in the early editorial stages and cut before the picture was locked and went off to the next stage of post-production to be color-corrected, et al.

TrekBBS user StewMc pointed this out a while ago, but note that a particular scene which appears in the deleted scenes in an unfinished state (green-screen, no-post-prod) is actually seen in one of the movie trailers in an apparently complete form.

Pics here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=188764
Top picture is from the movie trailer, the picture below it is how the same scene appears on the 'deleted scenes' featurette.

As StewMc himself puts it:

Obviously the FX were done for this scene at some point, but its hard to say if it was for the whole scene or just the snippet from the trailer.

And as Oso_Blanco followed up:

I suspect that most of the deleted scenes from Nemesis were cut at the last minute and therefore had their fx completed. I guess they just put inferior versions into the deleted scenes section to prevent people from editing them back into the movie themselves. Of course, this is pure speculation on my part.

It'd be fascinating to find out, wouldn't it?

 

[Gaith]

I'd imagine that previews are mainly cobbled together from unfinished footage, and look as rough in their draft form as actual movies do. The shots they need are then given priority for effects work, and even get entirely separate effects work from time to time (as the reversed shot in your link observes). In any case, the appearance of one shot in a preview whose scene doesn't make it into the movie in no way indicates the whole scene was ever completed.

Are there any well-received fan edits of Star Trek: Nemesis out there?

Well, here's one (info only, no download links) that completely removes B4, and won a Fan Edit of the Month from FanEdit.org. Running time without end credits: 76 minutes...

 

[EnriqueH]

Has there been a Nemesis fan-edit that is recommended?

 

[eyeresist]

I remember reading that Baird's first edit of the movie reportedly came in too long for what movie theaters would actually play, which is why the razor blade was put to it in the editing room to rapidly get it back down to a reasonable length. Maybe there's a complete "director's cut" already out there somewhere, just waiting to be rediscovered?

This is standard procedure for movies: they do a long version that includes everything from the script, then they "trim the fat". The deleted scenes (those released anyway) wouldn't improve the movie if put back in, IMHO.

Well, here's one (info only, no download links) that completely removes B4, and won a Fan Edit of the Month from FanEdit.org.

Surely removing B-4 would create several gaping plot holes?

 

[Gaith]

^ According to the reviews, apparently not. The entire sequence of Picard being kidnapped off the Enterprise and escaping was excised...

 

[dub]

To me, if they just used Patrick Stewart instead of Tom Hardy, the film would be a million times better. I just didn't believe Tom Hardy's character was a clone of Picard. I wasn't shocked when he was revealed. He didn't look or sound like him at all. And I just didn't care for him as an actor in this role. I would have LOVED to have seen what Stewart would have done with the role. Unfortunately, a fan edit can't fix that.

 

[doubleohfive]

The timecode/poor quality of the released deleted scenes is deliberate. Movie studios routinely don't give best quality versions of deleted scenes out on DVDs and the like, precisely because they don't want people out there doing 'phantom edits'.
p

I can't speak to how accurate this declaration is, but it's also a very easy thing to say because we all have our inflated idea about how much fans care enough about some movies to even make a phantom edit. I don't know that I believe that this is the only reason the timecode was left on, but I can tell you that it's probably just as much (if not more so) because all the other post-production accoutrements -- sound spotting, music spotting, color-correction, visual effects, etc. -- clearly haven't been applied to those deleted scenes either. I could simply be a matter of the scenes having been included in the early editorial stages and cut before the picture was locked and went off to the next stage of post-production to be color-corrected, et al.

TrekBBS user StewMc pointed this out a while ago, but note that a particular scene which appears in the deleted scenes in an unfinished state (green-screen, no-post-prod) is actually seen in one of the movie trailers in an apparently complete form.

Pics here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=188764
Top picture is from the movie trailer, the picture below it is how the same scene appears on the 'deleted scenes' featurette.

As StewMc himself puts it:

Obviously the FX were done for this scene at some point, but its hard to say if it was for the whole scene or just the snippet from the trailer.

And as Oso_Blanco followed up:

I suspect that most of the deleted scenes from Nemesis were cut at the last minute and therefore had their fx completed. I guess they just put inferior versions into the deleted scenes section to prevent people from editing them back into the movie themselves. Of course, this is pure speculation on my part.

It'd be fascinating to find out, wouldn't it?

That's all certainly possible. I wasn't trying to declare what had happened with Nemesis or its deleted scenes as being the only possible answer here. I was simply pointing out the possibility regading how and why being due to the normal order of the way things are done in post-production. Sound, VFX, color correction and titles all happen after picture lock. It's entirely possible, as you are suggesting, that they cut the whole picture first and went through the whole post-production process before making the cuts. In TV (where most of my experience is) this wouldn't necessarily have happened this way. In Features, its absolutely possible it did.

I freely admit however that I haven't seen any of these deleted scenes in years, so I might just be misremembering how they appear on the discs.

 

[StewMc]

For what it's worth, I think it could just have been a case of the DVD producers using whatever they could get their hands on. Most of them (at least on the original single disc DVD release) had Rick Berman's name on them, so maybe his copy of an early workprint was to hand and they thought "we'll just use that". Pretty sure though that some of scenes, particularly those later included on the 2-disc set didn't have his name on them, so may have come from another (poor quality) source.

Interestingly the seatbelt ending has "finished" effects, not only the seatbelt itself but also an animated view of drydock through the viewscreen.