Seconded.
STTMP music
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Seconded.
Aw damn, that was probably very sloppy, as it was not the full theme... they should have taklen from scratch... and rewrote the whole damn thing...
Yeah, top 5 or 10 is really pushing it I'd say. Not only those composers above, but all the composers of film musical's Golden Age too (Rogers and Hamerstein, Lerner and Lowe, Cole Porter, etc.) And also Miklos Rozsa's Ben Hur. Or the many films scored by Erich Korngold, who influenced Goldsmith, Williams, Gnuderstardt and countless others.
That said, I'd still put TMP with the top 100 somewhere. Goldsmith had so much time to develope his score for the film and the final product really shows it.
Now, I'm no noob, but I had to re-read this whole thread 3 times I was so confused...Thanks for NOTHING, Beaker!!!
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Of course, a great deal is simply a matter of personal taste. But I find it interesting that you feel some of Goldsmith's other scores surpassed TMP when Goldsmith himself said in an interview that his favorite score he had written was TMP.
And, yes, all the composers you listed have produced excellent scores. But I still maintain that TMP would be in the top 10, even up against all of them. My tastes in film scores, though, would probably stir some controversy. I would probably rank Williams' Superman score as my favorite film score of all time, and I'm sure many here would disagree.
(BTW, in regards to a post down the line, I'm not including musicals like those Rogers and Hammerstein when I talk about the best film scores. To me, those are different animals.)
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I'd put Goldsmith's own PATTON and probably WIND&THELION ahead of TMP, but again I'm thinking these are among the best film scores anybody ever recorded. PATTON has just got so much, the reincarnation stuff, the german stuff (which I'd happily use as a main theme it is so good), and the main patton march ... just amazing.
not taking away from TMP, with its wonderful klingon music and the beautiful tmp enterprise theme, which I've probably listened to more often than any other piece of music outside of the James Bond Theme and Kansas' Icarus Borne on Wings of Steel.
not taking away from TMP, with its wonderful klingon music and the beautiful tmp enterprise theme, which I've probably listened to more often than any other piece of music outside of the James Bond Theme and Kansas' Icarus Borne on Wings of Steel.
I think Williams' Superman score is a great work as well. But I'd personally put E.T. ahead of it. But at that point, the debate is almost moot. Williams was knocking his scores out of the park between the mid-70s into the early 90s.
If we are to consider the era between 1975-early 1990s as a sort of recent 'Golden Age' of movie music, I would definitely put TMP in the top 5. I'd probably put it in the top 3.
Well, I for one can't separate my personal experiences from my musical appreciation. I have no real objectivity and I am certainly no expert in musical theory in general. That and I am a cherry-picker by nature. I typically love movie music when it melds well with the on-screen action, and of course, when I actually love the movie. Most of my favorite movie music is from movies I loved some years ago before I was analyzing them and cynicism crept its way into my thought processes. So, I must completely respect personal taste in others' views of movie music in general, and Trek music specifically; even if I may never comprehend.
I am pretty passionate about Star Trek music up through the 3rd film, and still love quite a bit beyond.
John Williams and his heyday for sure; All Star Wars films, Superman, Indiana Jones films, Close Encounters, E.T...
I really like John Barry's work too; The Black Hole, and his Bond movies.
It's pretty clear that my movie-music loves are almost entirely genre related, even though there are a few things that sneak in simply because the styles remind me of music I already love. That's one of the reasons I wasn't bothered by the so-called "James Horner Derivative Conspiracy" of his earlier years. I love Basic Instinct simply because I recognized Goldsmith's compositional style before his name came up on the screen!
I am pretty passionate about Star Trek music up through the 3rd film, and still love quite a bit beyond.
John Williams and his heyday for sure; All Star Wars films, Superman, Indiana Jones films, Close Encounters, E.T...
I really like John Barry's work too; The Black Hole, and his Bond movies.
It's pretty clear that my movie-music loves are almost entirely genre related, even though there are a few things that sneak in simply because the styles remind me of music I already love. That's one of the reasons I wasn't bothered by the so-called "James Horner Derivative Conspiracy" of his earlier years. I love Basic Instinct simply because I recognized Goldsmith's compositional style before his name came up on the screen!
Really i didn't know that, well that pretty much settle its, if composer himself says his best work is TMP and from my perspective i feel the same way.
Regarding what rank i would put TMP is hard, but TMP soundtrack deserve to be in Top Ten rank in Sci-Fi/Fantasy soundtrack genre. Also might add his score in fantasy movie The Legend is one of his best work ever.
Oh that's absurd. Artists often have no clue about their own work. Can't you make up your own mind?
I have always considered TMP to be Goldsmith greatest work. I´m saying that i never knew until now that perhaps Goldsmith felt same way. 
It'd be interesting to see some substantiation on any of this...
What part, Peach Wookie?
What Wikipedia said about Goldsmith's favorite or what CoveTom said. Which was Goldsmith's favorite, really?
If you mean of all his scores and not just the Trek, it depends on when you asked him. Last interview I read, he was found of his "Fight Knight" score. Before that I think it was "Legend".
You could always go to Joel Goldsmith's site, FreeClyde.com, and make a post asking. He answers occassionally.
You could always go to Joel Goldsmith's site, FreeClyde.com, and make a post asking. He answers occassionally.
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