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Strategic Designs' TOS Conny plans

David,

I have definitely enjoyed studying both your Constitution-class and Enterprise-class plans. Both are very well done and well thought-out (even if I don’t agree with every detail)!

That said, can you kindly address a turboshaft issue on the Enterprise-class plans between decks 6 and 7? I can’t seem to figure out how the turboshaft (coming up through the interconnecting dorsal onto deck 7) lines-up with any shaft on deck 6.

Am I missing something?
 
Commander Dan said:
Truth be told, I still somewhat prefer the Franz Joseph location in the saucer. There are valid arguments to support the FJ location, such as an adjacent circular corridor, and 400 some-odd crewmen being trapped BELOW Main Engineering in Day of the Dove.)
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With tax and shipping, how much did these blueprints set you back? When Uhura said the crew was trapped "down there", maybe from the perspective of standing on the bridge, all of the ship is "down there."
 
I have to agree with those that take issue with a few things.

Everything I've read has always stated that the nacelles on the original Constitution design were self-contained units, meaning that there was a M/ARA located in each nacelle. Each nacelle was fed with deuterium and anti-deuterium to produce the energy required to produce a warp field.

However, I also have to take issue with those calling a "warp core" a TNGism. I think of it more as a TMPism. While some of the terminology isn't exactly the same, it's obvious that what we see in TMP is the same style of warp core (or, more technically correct, M/ARA) that we see later in TNG and beyond.

For instance, look at this picture, where you can clearly see that the shot (drawn out through use of perspective) is meant to show the M/ARA's plasma conduits branching off and going up to the nacelle.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/m...e/e6/Constitution_class_refit_engineering.jpg

As far as Enterprise... I really have a hard time fitting that into any previous Star Trek canon... Trek had inconsistencies prior to Enterprise, but the entire show is one huge inconsistency. They shoehorned something into history which was never actually there.

BTW, look at the ceiling in this shot. It suggests to me that Engineering was indeed in the secondary hull and that Engineering was at the top.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/3/3b/Constitution_original_engineering.jpg

Also, quote interesting, from TAS.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Warp_core_TAS.jpg
 
T'Girl said:
Commander Dan said:
Truth be told, I still somewhat prefer the Franz Joseph location in the saucer. There are valid arguments to support the FJ location, such as an adjacent circular corridor, and 400 some-odd crewmen being trapped BELOW Main Engineering in Day of the Dove.)
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With tax and shipping, how much did these blueprints set you back? When Uhura said the crew was trapped "down there", maybe from the perspective of standing on the bridge, all of the ship is "down there."
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I paid $60 for both set of plans ($30 for the Constitution-class set & $30 for the Enterprise-class set) and $15 in shipping. (I paid no tax.) You can order them from: http://www.strategicdesignpub.com/

I also heartily recommend David Schmidt’s Intrepid-class ($35), Defiant-class ($20), and Oberth-class ($20) plans!
 
GilmourD said:
However, I also have to take issue with those calling a "warp core" a TNGism. I think of it more as a TMPism. While some of the terminology isn't exactly the same, it's obvious that what we see in TMP is the same style of warp core (or, more technically correct, M/ARA) that we see later in TNG and beyond.
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No, they're not the same. In TMP, the intermix shaft is not the M/ARA reactor, it's only a conduit. The reactor is down at the bottom of the hull, with the shaft coming up from it.

Retconning the intermix shaft to be a warp core isn't some kind of mortal sin, but it is a retcon.


Marian
 
GilmourD said:
I have to agree with those that take issue with a few things.

Everything I've read has always stated that the nacelles on the original Constitution design were self-contained units, meaning that there was a M/ARA located in each nacelle. Each nacelle was fed with deuterium and anti-deuterium to produce the energy required to produce a warp field.
For instance, look at this picture, where you can clearly see that the shot (drawn out through use of perspective) is meant to show the M/ARA's plasma conduits branching off and going up to the nacelle.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/m...e/e6/Constitution_class_refit_engineering.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/3/3b/Constitution_original_engineering.jpg

Also, quote interesting, from TAS.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Warp_core_TAS.jpg
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I've personally alway palaced the reactors in the nacelles. But looking at those screen caps I had a thought, the TMP Enterprise still has the reactors in the nacelles and what you're seeing is the plasma coming DOWN to the engineering / secondary hull. The plasma could then be feed to power convertors, MHD, "the mains" and be funneled up the dorsal to the impulse engines, phasers, what have you. With this theory I have no idea why the plasma goes to the bottom of the secondary hull.
 
T'Girl said:
...the TMP Enterprise still has the reactors in the nacelles and what you're seeing is the plasma coming DOWN to the engineering / secondary hull. The plasma could then be feed to power convertors, MHD, "the mains" and be funneled up the dorsal to the impulse engines, phasers, what have you. With this theory I have no idea why the plasma goes to the bottom of the secondary hull.
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There can be some debate over the intended design of the TOS ship, but not for TMP. The matter / antimatter pods (or just anti-matter?) are at the base of the intermix shaft. Power is carried up to the nacelles and the impulse deck by means of that shaft. IIRC (and maybe Mr. Probert can chime in and confirm this) the safety mechanism on the TMP ship was to eject the pods, not the whole shaft (a la TNG).
 
Maybe it's as simple as the deuterium tanks not laying along the centerline of the ship...
 
T'Girl said:
Deuterium could be stored any old way, maybe just as room temp fluid.
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Room temperature deuterium is a gas. It's simply hydrogen with a neutron in the nucleus, whereas a normal hydrogen atom doesn't have a neutron.
 
GilmourD said:
T'Girl said:
Deuterium could be stored any old way, maybe just as room temp fluid.
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Room temperature deuterium is a gas. It's simply hydrogen with a neutron in the nucleus, whereas a normal hydrogen atom doesn't have a neutron.
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Well, it's not necessarily a gas at room temperature. It's a gas at room temperature and reasonable pressure levels. But you can keep it a fluid if you have it under sufficient pressure, regardless of temperature.

Of course, we're talking a lot of pressure, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The expansion of the fluid into gas could be used to supplement the other cooling systems on-board.
 
Captain Robert April said:
The lack of corresponding "matter pods" was an admitted oversight on Probert's part.

Any ideas as to where to squeeze in some slush tanks?
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In my take on the refit Ent, I've been putting the deuterium tanks in the top section of the engineering hull. There aren't any windows in the top section, which along with that section of hull being painted green on the miniature to me says that this is where the tanks are. It's a bit of a TNG-ism, but it works for me.
The long intermix chamber sits below and well inside the outer hull leaving a fairly large volume between the two to work with. I can post a cross section of what I'm thinking if anyone is interested.
 
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