Strangers From The Sky Vs. First Contact
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Deprecation isn't a value judgment, either.
From wikipedia: In the process of authoring computer software, its standards or documentation, or other technical standards, deprecation is a status applied to features, characteristics, or practices to indicate that they should be avoided, typically because they have been superseded.
I agree with Christopher, I've never interpreted the line any other way.
If I refer to 'the original United States Constitution', l'm not referring to the first of many different United States - I'm referring to that document as it originally first appeared, before any amendments or alterations.
I'm sure he's referencing the Intrepid from The Immunity Syndrome. But we never saw that ship on screen, we were only told of its existence.
Actually, small point of order, but thanks to the Star Trek Remastered project, we did in fact see the Intrepid on-screen, in season one's "Court Martial." Here's a pic!
Pardon the interruption, carry on.
That's a very specialized and unusual usage of the word that I've never heard before. From Dictionary.com:
That archaic usage is the literal meaning of the word in the original Latin -- to deprecate something is to pray against it, to try to ward it off with prayer. In more modern usage, it's merged in meaning with "depreciate," meaning to devalue or belittle. It's most often heard in the phrase "self-deprecation," meaning putting oneself down or making fun of oneself.
So yeah, to anyone who isn't a software developer, deprecation absolutely is a value judgment.
That's a way of phrasing the pre-Bill of Rights Constitution I've never heard. I mean, we actually still have that same Constitution -- it hasn't been replaced, just amended. "Original" implies an entirely separate document.
Besides, there have been two constitutions and two United States. The United States under the Articles of Confederation was an entirely separate legal entity than the United States under the Constitution.
Two questions
1) Do I have to read the second Romulan War to get this, because I can't bring myself to do it after draging myself through the first one.
2) Seeing as I've hear that the NX 01 was decommissioned, can you really call it an Enterprise novel?
Yes, it's the same constitution. But it's been amended. The amended version is not the same as the original. At least, that's what I'd derive from it. The original version - the amended version. You could talk about a word document on your computer in the same way.
Well, I'm not up on US history enough to have known that. Maybe I should have referred to the Irish constitution (but I didn't want to be too parochial in my outlook!
No, it does not. The word is routinely used to refer to the initial form of something that was later modified or expanded -- for instance, "the original thirteen United States." After all, think of the etymology of the word. It's related to "origin." It doesn't mean a separate thing from what you're referring to; it means the beginning of what you're referring to, its starting form or source.
We know from canon that after the Earth-Romulan War ends, the Romulans are never heard from again until "Balance of Terror" 105 years later. So this, while consistent with those books, isn't a direct continuation of their story, but the beginning of a new story.
Red Dwarf ran for two seasons without the Red Dwarf appearing in it. Blake's 7 was without Blake for most of the last half of its run. Smallville kept that title after it had mostly moved to Metropolis. And most of the Pink Panther movies had nothing to do with the Pink Panther diamond.
Besides, you could say that founding the Federation is a bold enterprise, so... uh... yeah.
Yeah. I just couldn't remember the name of the ship or episode.
I'm sure he's referencing the Intrepid from The Immunity Syndrome. But we never saw that ship on screen, we were only told of its existence.
To speak to the original question I like them both equally. In my personal chronology I figure that the Carbon Creek incident resulted in Vulcan's having an awareness of Earth. Then the Eugenics Wars took place and while humanity was trying to build a truly United Earth the events of Strangers from the Sky took place. Sadly shortly after World War 3 occurred (I personally like the idea too of Colonel Green having started out as a member of the Unified Service Organization presented in SftS before going rogue). With the resumption of global hostilities the Vulcans decide to leave earth alone until the flight of the Phoenix gets their attention and causes them to reconsider their decision (Or at least causes the captain of the ship to disregard standing orders, something which I imagine he would do if he felt there was sufficiently compelling logic for doing so). This led to official first contact and the rest is Trekstory. And since the SftS incident was kept hidden (Yeah, yeah there's that book but I'm figuring that it was popular in it's day for about a minute or two but quickly got forgotten about) and the Carbon Creek incident was nearly hidden (I don't think that humans in general ever learned about the incident and the Vulcan's didn't consider it that important so they didn't make a big deal out of it post Federation founding) it doesn't negate Troi's line in FC about Vulcan having no interest in earth since it was too primitive since that was the final decision prior to the flight of the Phoenix (and I always figured she kind of said it in part to keep Cochrane from getting a swelled head and having a hard time keeping his Jughead hat on).
Ultimately this is what I call Squint Just Right Continuity. *L* It's not dissimilar to what Greg Cox did with the Eugenics Wars. There's not a lot out there in Lit that I love enough to do that with but SftS is one, as is Spock's World (And actually the underlying idea of the book works even better post Enterprise once you see the animosity that was at the start of the relationship between Earth and Vulcan. I figure that sort of thing doesn't just go away)
Ultimately this is what I call Squint Just Right Continuity. *L* It's not dissimilar to what Greg Cox did with the Eugenics Wars. There's not a lot out there in Lit that I love enough to do that with but SftS is one, as is Spock's World (And actually the underlying idea of the book works even better post Enterprise once you see the animosity that was at the start of the relationship between Earth and Vulcan. I figure that sort of thing doesn't just go away)
I agree.
Frankly, the sort of episode described in SftS--a failed first contact with an alien species, complicated by international terrorism and global power struggles, ultimately hidden by embarrassed governments--doesn't strike me as inherently contradicted by First Contact. Who's to say that the agencies and people involved in the SftS contact didn't get wrecked by the Third World War? Who knows? Maybe rumours that something very strange happened in Antarctica aggravated global tensions.
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