The ones who murdered civilians knew what they were doing.
Spoilers Stranger Things - Season 5
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Wow, that's impressive I had assumed that was at least altered in post.
There have even been a few movies that have actually used the fact that they're set back in medieval or whatever times, but used modern language and pulp culture references as a selling point.
I have the complete opposite reaction, it's always driven me crazy that Trek series only ever referenced stuff that's already a hundred or more years old now. Does absolutely nothing that's been written or produced since the 1800s survive to 23rd or 24the Centuries? Even they don't want to throw in references to things like Lady Gaga or Squid Game, they could have at least thrown some Beatles or Seinfeld in with all of the Gilbert & Sullivan and Shakespear.
I was rewatching some TNG not that long ago, and I remember a reference to Ireland that's now wrong as well.
The 'banned' Star Trek episode that promised a united Ireland
A scene discussing Ireland's "2024 unification" stopped the episode from being shown in the UK.www.bbc.com
I forgot about that episode. Thanks for posting.
That's funny. Somebody in another thread posted that the comment today serves as a hint that Captain Lorca is from the Mirror Universe--although the episodes comes from a time before Musk revealed his true nature as super-villain wannabe.
That's a specific and purposeful creative choice. I consider that differently. Two examples that pop immediately to mind are
That is a really cool video. I thought that his voice had been played with as well.
Regarding the other point:
Part of that is public domain laws (blame the U.S. for their Disney rule) in that works need to be nearly a century old before they can be used freely. But also, Seinfeld is no longer a cultural thing and many people under 25 don't even know about it. Similarly, it is still up in the air as to whether the Beatles will still be a thing even 50 years from now. Once Ringo and Paul have passed, they could very well be forgotten in a generation.
I was pretty happy with that.
I've been wondering since I read about the Vecna and Mind Flayer connection if the Mind Flayer might somehow into play again, but I did not expect that that was Vecna's hideout. I was wondering about the giant heart, but I had just assumed it was how he was pumping the kids full of the Mind Flayer particles.
I was pretty happy with where they left everything, and the open question of El's fate was a nice way to leave a little bit of mystery and open question at the end.
My only real complaint is that I was hoping for more of a direct confrontation between Kay and The Party or at least some clue as to what became of her after everything that happened in Hawkins.
I've been wondering since I read about the Vecna and Mind Flayer connection if the Mind Flayer might somehow into play again, but I did not expect that that was Vecna's hideout. I was wondering about the giant heart, but I had just assumed it was how he was pumping the kids full of the Mind Flayer particles.
I was pretty happy with where they left everything, and the open question of El's fate was a nice way to leave a little bit of mystery and open question at the end.
My only real complaint is that I was hoping for more of a direct confrontation between Kay and The Party or at least some clue as to what became of her after everything that happened in Hawkins.
First thoughts after watching the finale is that it turned out better than I expected in parts, but also had significant storylines dealt with a somewhat underwhelming manner. I'll put it in spoiler since it's so freshly aired.
The better than expected. The emotional bits with the 'epilogue' portion did hit. The El reveal was something I was expecting, although not in the way it was revealed.
I liked how Karen Wheeler was shown scarred up from the injuries (and also not completely covering either).
If Holly and her friends are the idea for the spinoff... I don't really get it, and if shit continues to go down in Hawkins of a supernatural nature it almost makes the 'ending' and El leaving seem a bit pointless.
As they were driving to exit the Upside/Down for the last time I kept saying to myself. Umm, what the fuck is this exit strategy? Why do you think you are going to be able to exit the same way you went in (TAKING MASSIVE GUNFIRE BTW) and not face anything? It seemed massively dumb.
We get no resolution on the military, the fall-out of the actions of killing so many of them, or anything.
But my biggest gripe is it just seemed like the grand show-down was way too 'tank and spank'. There was no 'losses' (outside of Kali and that wasn't even to anything Vecna/mindflayer related)
BTW. Did anyone find Wynona Ryder's scenes once they started climbing the tower and then after getting into the other world to be kind of oddly filmed? It was almost like she wasn't there and they went out of their way to just show Joyce from behind and the few establishing shots of her were usually without the others in the same frame. It was like she wasn't able to film a bunch of those scenes or something.
I liked how Karen Wheeler was shown scarred up from the injuries (and also not completely covering either).
If Holly and her friends are the idea for the spinoff... I don't really get it, and if shit continues to go down in Hawkins of a supernatural nature it almost makes the 'ending' and El leaving seem a bit pointless.
As they were driving to exit the Upside/Down for the last time I kept saying to myself. Umm, what the fuck is this exit strategy? Why do you think you are going to be able to exit the same way you went in (TAKING MASSIVE GUNFIRE BTW) and not face anything? It seemed massively dumb.
We get no resolution on the military, the fall-out of the actions of killing so many of them, or anything.
But my biggest gripe is it just seemed like the grand show-down was way too 'tank and spank'. There was no 'losses' (outside of Kali and that wasn't even to anything Vecna/mindflayer related)
BTW. Did anyone find Wynona Ryder's scenes once they started climbing the tower and then after getting into the other world to be kind of oddly filmed? It was almost like she wasn't there and they went out of their way to just show Joyce from behind and the few establishing shots of her were usually without the others in the same frame. It was like she wasn't able to film a bunch of those scenes or something.
My opinion of the finale was my same opinion of the show. It overstayed it's welcome. They could have edited this thing down to an hour, maybe even the hour and 15 minutes. The last hour was too sentimental for my tastes and I was like, "END THIS". We still don't know anything about Dr. Kay, the Military plot basically was to eliminate El, the stuff with Ted Wheeler I actually found a little insulting, and honestly I'm glad the show is over. There were some things I liked, such as the final fight with Vecna, the Mind Flayer, and basically the first hour. Then after that it just didn't want to let go and I was starting to get annoyed.
Overall, the show was worth watching, but I wonder how better it would have been had it not taken 10 years to get here. I know there were external matters, but it's a show that kind of got a little incoherent as it went along. I feel about Stranger Things the same way I feel about a show like The Flash. It was fun while it lasted, but I'm glad we can move on.
Overall, the show was worth watching, but I wonder how better it would have been had it not taken 10 years to get here. I know there were external matters, but it's a show that kind of got a little incoherent as it went along. I feel about Stranger Things the same way I feel about a show like The Flash. It was fun while it lasted, but I'm glad we can move on.
"You messed with the wrong fucking family."
What a fantastic ending to an incredible journey. The final battle was wonderfully over-the-top bonkers with the right mixture of horror and fantasy, complete with a hellscape that reminded me of both Willow and The Dark Crystal. Even though I know some people keep complaining how no one from the main cast dies, but I'm glad no one did (even if I had predicted Nancy's demise). Yes, there were real deaths that properly raised the stakes, each of them with strong connections to our heroes, but I love how our heroes got to have a happy ending as a whole. I feel this is further emphasized by the perfect closing credits song of David Bowie's "Heroes."
I already know some people will hate the Eleven "fake out," but I love the idea of the heroes not knowing for certain if she actually died and I particularly love how Mike the Scribe has crafted a possibility of her survival based on realistic observations on his part. His hopeful story of Eleven secretly finding a way out and escaping to happiness based on pure supposition of another character reminds me of another story but I cannot for the life of me think of where (or even whether it was a show or a film). I wasn't even surprised by Kali's death but I did like how her final moments were (potentially) recontextualized before the end of the episode.
I'm always a sucker for thematic denouements so I loved every moment of this one (no matter how long it may have felt for some). Each group got their own big scene that gives an idea of the future, no matter how positive or uncertain it may seem (I can't help but feel like the Nancy/Steve/Jonathan/Robin monthly reunion will slowly, or even quickly, fade away). I loved Hopper's reference to Montauk as a possible destination for him and Joyce to flee to, bringing full circle to the idea of Stranger Things. And, of course, I loved that show concludes in the Wheeler basement with last D&D campaign...before passing the torch onto a new generation (and I love that Derek is part of that group friends!).
I was actually relieved the Mind Flayer turned out to be just as much as a villain as Vecna, operating in concert with each other, instead of the Mind Flayer acting as minion of Vecna's as previously suggested by season 4. I do wish we had learned more about the nature of the Mind Flayer separate to Vecna (and why the Mind Flayer wanted Henry to find them), but I highly suspect that little scene is what the Duffer brothers alluded to as the hint for the spin-off. If so, I'm definitely interested in watching that series in whatever form it may take (and absolutely fine with none of the Hawkins characters returning). I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but I really do hope Netflix will release a recording of The First Shadow sometime next year.
I did, however, expect a bigger confrontation with Henry. Yes, we got one last reveal about Henry's origin story as well as the big chase scenes and Eleven briefly facing off against him, but the bigger set piece of the Mind Flayer overshadowed Vecna's exit from the series. Regardless of that expectation, I still found Joyce wailing away with Chekov's Axe to end his existence, once and for all, fantastically cathartic. That was for Barbara, Bob, and Eddie, and all of the pain and suffering this entire family experienced for five long years because of that motherfucker.
The final season isn't perfect (sadly, Dr. Kay being the most glaring example) but I'm overall very happy what we've got. I can't wait rewatch this series in a few years time.
What a fantastic ending to an incredible journey. The final battle was wonderfully over-the-top bonkers with the right mixture of horror and fantasy, complete with a hellscape that reminded me of both Willow and The Dark Crystal. Even though I know some people keep complaining how no one from the main cast dies, but I'm glad no one did (even if I had predicted Nancy's demise). Yes, there were real deaths that properly raised the stakes, each of them with strong connections to our heroes, but I love how our heroes got to have a happy ending as a whole. I feel this is further emphasized by the perfect closing credits song of David Bowie's "Heroes."
I already know some people will hate the Eleven "fake out," but I love the idea of the heroes not knowing for certain if she actually died and I particularly love how Mike the Scribe has crafted a possibility of her survival based on realistic observations on his part. His hopeful story of Eleven secretly finding a way out and escaping to happiness based on pure supposition of another character reminds me of another story but I cannot for the life of me think of where (or even whether it was a show or a film). I wasn't even surprised by Kali's death but I did like how her final moments were (potentially) recontextualized before the end of the episode.
I'm always a sucker for thematic denouements so I loved every moment of this one (no matter how long it may have felt for some). Each group got their own big scene that gives an idea of the future, no matter how positive or uncertain it may seem (I can't help but feel like the Nancy/Steve/Jonathan/Robin monthly reunion will slowly, or even quickly, fade away). I loved Hopper's reference to Montauk as a possible destination for him and Joyce to flee to, bringing full circle to the idea of Stranger Things. And, of course, I loved that show concludes in the Wheeler basement with last D&D campaign...before passing the torch onto a new generation (and I love that Derek is part of that group friends!).
I was actually relieved the Mind Flayer turned out to be just as much as a villain as Vecna, operating in concert with each other, instead of the Mind Flayer acting as minion of Vecna's as previously suggested by season 4. I do wish we had learned more about the nature of the Mind Flayer separate to Vecna (and why the Mind Flayer wanted Henry to find them), but I highly suspect that little scene is what the Duffer brothers alluded to as the hint for the spin-off. If so, I'm definitely interested in watching that series in whatever form it may take (and absolutely fine with none of the Hawkins characters returning). I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but I really do hope Netflix will release a recording of The First Shadow sometime next year.
I did, however, expect a bigger confrontation with Henry. Yes, we got one last reveal about Henry's origin story as well as the big chase scenes and Eleven briefly facing off against him, but the bigger set piece of the Mind Flayer overshadowed Vecna's exit from the series. Regardless of that expectation, I still found Joyce wailing away with Chekov's Axe to end his existence, once and for all, fantastically cathartic. That was for Barbara, Bob, and Eddie, and all of the pain and suffering this entire family experienced for five long years because of that motherfucker.
The final season isn't perfect (sadly, Dr. Kay being the most glaring example) but I'm overall very happy what we've got. I can't wait rewatch this series in a few years time.
Vecna is a fuckin bastard...but it was also something I expected all season long. I've mentioned a couple of times in spoiler code that there was a casting report a year or two ago for an actress to play Sarah and how she had to look similar to the previous actress. I long theorized that this wasn't another flashback but a moment where Vecna would torture Hopper. What I didn't expect was how Vecna would use that moment to force Hopper into thinking he accidentally shot Eleven to get Eleven (and Kali and Max) out of his mind.Hopper shooting 11 was not on my list
Nah, my money remains on the Mind Flayer and the Abyss, potentially their origins. The Duffer brothers said sometime ago that the spin-off won't have anything to do with Hawkins or any of its characters.
Considering how Hawkins continues to be in the dark (or in utter denial about the truth), I can't help but wonder how Karen explained those scars.
Also...Ted lives! And no one seems to care!
Yeah...that was a little weird. I chalk it up to them being caught up in the moment...although that doesn't explain why they didn't plan for it. I guess bigger fish to fry than dealing with the stupid military.
Maybe but I felt like the Duffer brothers created a particular aesthetic for the Abyss that made the whole place look ethereal and unreal which is why the lighting looked so weird. I feel like that explains why Joyce's scenes looked off, although maybe you're referencing something else.
I won't spoiler text since it's been mentioned a few times.
I think you could compare the Mike reveal of what he thought happened to Eleven kind of like the end of the Dark Knight Rises and the debate as to whether Bruce Wayne did survive and if what we saw was just what Alfred hoped/would have liked to have happened.
I think you could compare the Mike reveal of what he thought happened to Eleven kind of like the end of the Dark Knight Rises and the debate as to whether Bruce Wayne did survive and if what we saw was just what Alfred hoped/would have liked to have happened.
Yup, that was it. I think there are other examples but that's probably the main one I was trying to think of.
Yes, they said yes, but they probably lied to avoid spoilers for season 5. They previously said they wouldn't introduce any new characters in season 5 after season 4. But for some reason, they changed their minds. If the spin-off isn't about Holly and her friends, why did they dedicate an entire season to 'them'? Also, the part you said the spin-off will definitely be about is already covered in the canon story The First Shadow. Why would they make a spin-off show about that part if it's already been covered?
Because they played an important role to the story the Duffers wanted to tell in relation to Henry and Max. Plus, the focus on Holly in particular made the stakes higher for Mike and Nancy.
Without knowing those details (and please don't spoil it for me or anyone else who hasn't had the opportunity to watch it), I'm sure there are plenty of details about the Mind Flayer and the Abyss (the latter of which wasn't even known until this season) that the paly didn't cover. What I'm interested in them and not their connection with Henry, which is the primary focus of the play.
They didn't really. They added them into the mix, IMHO as a feature of a closing season about a show that began as an exploration of children characters. The show loses something if that aspect isn't closed out as a proper bookend, for the ones we saw grow up. Mike staring down the basement steps at them in the end, and reflecting.
They did it for that. That was always the thing that mattered. One of the grown children seeing & reflecting on they that are still children. The Stand By Me finale homage is oozing all over this (which was eerily a fitting eulogy to poor Rob Reiner) It needn't necessarily mean we now pass the torch onto a new story about them, just that they are seen as having become the next band like Mike's.
Plus, children being preyed upon for their impressionable minds is a central theme of the show. As we'd find out, Henry too, just like Will struggled with the vulnerability of their minds, and the other children are their to trumpet that theme. This show was a show about kids. It couldn't end without them still being present, & Lord knows the main cast were far from that now. The new kids served that function, and very possibly that alone.
But who knows? I'm easily capable of being wrong lol
While I think the season leading up to it was kind of uneven, overall I thought this was a strong finale, particularly the epilogue. I'm actually glad there wasn't a whole bunch of death and sorrow. It's okay for the good guys to win. And there was still plenty of sadness given Eleven's apparent fate, but I'm happy that they still interjected a bit of hope on that end, too. It was also nice that they avoided the cliched "It's not really you, Henry! You can still redeem yourself!" ending that I was worried they might have gone with.
Kay not getting any kind of comeuppance was definitely a disappointment, but I like to think that the government just swept the whole thing under the rug and paid out settlements to the whole town to try and keep a lid on what really happened.
My guess is the spinoff has something to do with Nancy working for the Herald in Boston. I don't think they're going to focus on a group of children again.
Kay not getting any kind of comeuppance was definitely a disappointment, but I like to think that the government just swept the whole thing under the rug and paid out settlements to the whole town to try and keep a lid on what really happened.
My guess is the spinoff has something to do with Nancy working for the Herald in Boston. I don't think they're going to focus on a group of children again.
It wasn't just Alfred, though: we were given other signs that he survived that were outside Alfred's perception.
