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Spoilers Stranger Things - Season 5

Ultimately, that was a mostly satisfying series finale. Joyce being the one to finally end Vecna was such an earned moment that I was so happy seeing her wield the axe. El's ending makes sense, though it was bittersweet. I did like that we didn't get a firm answer to what really happened to her after she made her escape.

However, my major problem was how Linda Hamilton just disappears from the story, thanks to the time skip. The next problem was Ted Wheeler got fucking shafted. I was kinda hoping he'd pop up to help save the day or something.

But hell, the episode hit every emotionally-satisfying beat, so I can't be too mad at what we got.
 
Wow, where to begin?

To put it first - i really liked it but i can also understand if people didn't like it our outright hate it ( in which case check your priorities in life if an entertainment product can get you to feel something that intense as hate, just my personal opinion).

I think the main divisive issue is the resolution via Fantasy or Sci Fi and the Duffer Brothers chose Sci Fi over Fantasy, which is a weird choice given that a fantasy game like D&D is so important in the show. Personally i expected, maybe even wanted, a more fantasy based resolution to all the questions however that may have looked like ( i'm no writer by far) but i am ok that they went with the more scientific approach to resolve it.

Given that the Duffer Brothers never tired to state that all questions will be answered ( or most? I forget) they did not lie, even if some don't like the answers. At some point early in the episode a thought popped up in my mind when i remembered the Mindflayer from early in the show, i.e. the end of season 2 and all throughout season 3 and who was never mentioned and talked about. If the DB's gotten a loose end from season 2 in the form of Kali back into the game what about the Mindflayer and lo and behold, there it is!

Thinking back on what we knew up until then it seemed pretty clear that something happened TO Vecna, that he didn't change all on his own and that something affected that change so who or what was the source of the change? Turns out it was the Mindflayer and the show was written wit it in mind and internally it makes sense so i'm fully ok with it.

That whole final fight was bonkers to the max and i couldn't help but think of how it was exactly like an RPG videogame that i love to play where you start of with level 1 characters, who can't do shit usually but over the course of the game you level them up, unlock their own backstories and the main story until it's time to prepare for the big final fight that often enough also features a twist. This final fight felt a lot like that and i liked it.

It may be strange ( no pun intended) that the characters were able to fight off such a huge monster with a simple assault rifle, a flame thrower and some Molotov cocktails when this seems to demand at least a platoon if not a whole company of main battle tanks with artillery and attack plane/helicopter support but this is not a warporn show so our heroes were enough.

As intense as the fight was ( and boy do the DB's know how to set up shots - the one where El leaps up into the air straight at the maw of the Mindflayer might replace my phone screen background picture from Eddie playing Metallic ;) it was also over rather quickly, maybe even too quick. Then again why draw that out into an hour long CGI slugfest?

Loved how everyone who has been directly harmed by Vecna got to watch Joyce pull a Thor and chop Vecna's head off, that must have felt catharthic to the max for them and a good way to show it really was over with him.

I expected a bit more from Kali's storyline to be honest, maybe even a side switch revealing she turned evil a long time ago or soemthing to that effect so her death came too sudden but i figure the DB's have only needed her as the story device to plant the idea of suicide into El's head and once that was done she had no other purpose and given she had the least fan score so to speak it was a rather easy decision to kill her off.

El's death however - ob boy, that will stir something for months or years when people talk about the show, including here. Some will hate it, some really like it ( maybe out of a weird reason because they don't like Millie Bobby Brown, the person) but it's one of the make or break moments of the finale and the show given how central she was to the story.

Personally i liked it even if i may have preferred a full Hollywood style ending with everybody making it and getting their happy end but i am also completely ok for consequences and some sadness and that death made that possible. I also fully understand if people get all up in arms about the "cop out" to give an alternate version of it where she miraculously survived but i liked that too because it gives both camps the option to choose their true ending, whatever they feel they may need ( same thing recently happened with the videogame Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, that has swept the video game awards this year and also features a controversial end).

I absolutely loved that the show really took its time to show how everybody was after, how their lives are going to be and how they dealt with loss and grief. The final D&D game brought me close to tears, especially when Mike narrated the alternative end for the "Mage" and when the next generation of players couldn't wait for the old generation to clear the table so they could start playing :wah::wah:

So all considered i really liked this finale. Is it a 10/10? No but it could never be due to the hype it generated over the years. Personally i see it somewhere in the 8ish region with aspirations to climb into the 9 but not quite making it, which is a hell of a thing in itself because in recent years they were quite a few shows who have really dropped the ball when they ended so this is as good as it possibly got i think.

Last point of this rant - the possible spinoff that is talked about.

I think it may be a safe bet that a prequel might be it explaining what the deal was with that stone in the suitcase of the guy that apparently gave Henry his powers. How did the guy came into position to get it and he seemed to be terrified of it? This could be an exploration of how the military and/or Dr. Brenner learned about the Abyss in the first place and what they wanted to do with it.

So if you actually took the time to read my rant thank you, if not i understand :lol::lol:
 
So did they find the Stranger Thing? Don’t tell me it’s just the friends they made along the way?
It was the friends they made along the way, but it was also a magical kaiju monster with a tentacle warlock sitting in its heart feasting on the souls of children in an extradimensional realm of evil.
 
Well I thought it was a good ending.

And mike had a point about El at the end. Those sonic weapons the military had pointed at El didn't seem to be doing shit.
Even one seems to nearly paralyse her with pian and they had half a dozen.

Also I think Hopper knows hence why he wasn't a damaged wreck like mike and that she told him telepathically like mike but with more detail. She told hopper the truth as unlike Mike he would understand why it would be dangerous to come after her. She may even had planned it with Hopper so that he acted as a distraction while she fled. Either way she had to get away from the US goverment.
 
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Well I thought it was a good ending.

And mike had a point about El at the end. Those sonic weapons the military had pointed at El didn't seem to be doing shit.
Even one seems to nearly paralyse her with pian and they had half a dozen.

Also I think Hopper knows hence why he wasn't a damaged wreck like mike and that she told him telepathically like mike but with more detail. She told hopper the truth as unlike Mike he would understand why it would be dangerous to come after her. She may even had planned it with Hopper so that he acted as a distraction while she fled. Either way she had to get away from the US goverment.

I see the intention of the DB's works as intended to gove everybody a choice of how they see El's story to end but people will also argue for years to come which one is the lore accurate and intended ending :lol:
 
I see the intention of the DB's works as intended to gove everybody a choice of how they see El's story to end but people will also argue for years to come which one is the lore accurate and intended ending :lol:
But the point that mike made though that those sonic weapons were on but did not affect El does have a point.
 
Overall, I think they stuck the landing, with a better finale than the season as a whole - though that was really carried by the Return of the King length epilogue.

The buildup to the climax was overall pretty similar to the season as a whole. My only logistical issue here was the military seemed slow as molasses in their response. Like, they saw 11's team almost immediately, but didn't attack until after El was out of the deprivation tank. Seeing Hopper try and solo them while El was helpless would've been interesting. I guess Joyce being essentially absent until Will's spidey sense kicked in seemed weird, too.

Not sure how I feel about the show teasing a Vecna redemption, then backing off. Some people are too far gone, I guess, but I would have liked some final words before Joyce hacked his head off.

Everything involving the final combat with the Mind Flayer was pretty bad. The new design is less abstract and lovecraftian. Just feels like a giant spider thingy, and took a lot of mystery out of the setting. But the ease at which the kids take down a thing the size of an aircraft carrier with one gun, a flamethrower, a slingshot, a flare gun and some spears was a real disappointment. This was the big bad of the entire show, and it just dies with ease. No demos, demodogs, bat things, etc in view either. WTF?

I was confused why after the fight they sped to the exit as if the base was abandoned, though at least they were all captured 3 seconds after crossing. Realistically, Eleven's death (or "death" depending on your interpretation) was the only way to close the series out. That everyone else got off scot free (including Hopper, who killed dozens of soldiers) was quite a head scratcher though.

Then the epilogues saved it. Some were a bit overlong - particularly the roof scene with Steve, Jonathan, Nancy, and Robin - but this season was sorely lacking in scenes that just let the characters vibe with one another, so I think it was needed. Mike's likely cope that maybe El survived after all was the perfect ambiguous note to end on, allowing a tiny sliver of mystery to remain. I hope they don't fuck up this mystery with her return in a sequel.
 
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"I've got MY eyes on you" isn't the same as "I've got eyes on the [subject]," especially when it's a spotter pilot who's supposed to be giving a clear report in approved military jargon.
 
Ultimately, that was a mostly satisfying series finale. Joyce being the one to finally end Vecna was such an earned moment that I was so happy seeing her wield the axe. El's ending makes sense, though it was bittersweet. I did like that we didn't get a firm answer to what really happened to her after she made her escape.

However, my major problem was how Linda Hamilton just disappears from the story, thanks to the time skip. The next problem was Ted Wheeler got fucking shafted. I was kinda hoping he'd pop up to help save the day or something.

But hell, the episode hit every emotionally-satisfying beat, so I can't be too mad at what we got.

I enjoyed the finale immensely.

At least Ted lived! No one even mentioned the poor bastard.

"Language!"

:lol:
 
"I've got MY eyes on you" isn't the same as "I've got eyes on the [subject]," especially when it's a spotter pilot who's supposed to be giving a clear report in approved military jargon.
So "I've got my eyes on Midway " would have been better?

What would the approved jargon be?
 
My guess is the spinoff has something to do with Nancy working for the Herald in Boston.
Thinking on this more, this is still my top guess for the spinoff, but then I also got to thinking about the group talking about meeting up at Robin's uncle's house in Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Experiment plays a significant role in ST's backstory, so maybe the spinoff could be set there. (Philly in general, I mean, not specifically Robin's uncle's house.) But I actually think the mention of Philadelphia was just a wink to the deeper lore of the series, along with Hopper talking about Montauk.
 
BTW...
Joyce Hopper? Sounds like joist hopper
Don't do it girl. Just don't be that name, whatever you do
 
I thought the finale was okay. It was much longer than it had to be. At one point, I had paused it to get up when I thought I was near the ending, and it had 20 more minutes to go.

My wife who had made it much further through her reread of A Wrinkle in Time was surprised by how much material from the book was used in this last season. I'll comment more on that when I finish up my reread of the novel.

I am curious about the spin-off as they clearly end the series in the summer of 1989, so any new spin-off is going to be a 90s show. This should be interesting.
 
Everything involving the final combat with the Mind Flayer was pretty bad. The new design is less abstract and lovecraftian. Just feels like a giant spider thingy, and took a lot of mystery out of the setting. But the ease at which the kids take down a thing the size of an aircraft carrier with one gun, a flamethrower, a slingshot, a flare gun and some spears was a real disappointment. This was the big bad of the entire show, and it just dies with ease. No demos, demodogs, bat things, etc in view either. WTF?

I wouldn't have called it bad but it was a bit of a stretch. As i and you have said to bring down the Mindflayer with the firepower they had looked and felt a bit ridiculous even if they tried to explain it away with the Hivemind concept.

It would have been more believable if the military also got into the Abyss somehow, saw what they were up against and went Broken Arrow in a panic calling everything in so that the Army could engage with actual real heavy firepower given our heroes an opportunity to sneak past somehow and engage Vecna himself.

This is however nitpicking at a high level, not everything can or has to make absolute logical and realistic sense in a fantasy Sci Fi show.
 
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