Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by The Nth Doctor, Jan 1, 2019.
Is this the story of the little girl who lived down the lane?
Regarding El, the nose bleeds always seemed to me to be a sign that using her powers caused some kind of physical damage. I wouldn't be surprised if that was addressed at some point.
You know, I find it more believable that some Russians build a secret base under a mall in the middle of America, rather than a boy who grew up in a small provincial town in the mid-80s is so ok in front of a girl (who he likes) that comes out...
Luckily she doesn't have a Martin Sheen character to worry about.
That was meant to be a Twin Peaks reference.
Ahh, that's in my backlog, I really need to get to that one someday. I only know the old Jodie Foster movie for that title.
Steve is more progressive that he lets on.
I think his reaction was supposed to have been influenced by the drugs--so we see his true feelings rather than the "feelings" he might have shown if he hadn't been drugged.
It would be sort of brave of the series to have Eleven actually lose her powers permanently, so now she has to not only deal with the threats like everyone else, but its a good way to ease the character into a normal future assuming the show will end in S4 or 5. In that way, the entire fantasy element takes on a "long ago" vibe, and its not magical hi-jinks going into her adult years.
Steve was depicted in the first season as a bully and a jerk. I sincerely doubt he was the result of a progressive and liberal environment.
There was no such thing as "progressive" in the 1980s man
To quote Khan "I know something of those years". I lived through the 80's as an adult progressive male. So I'm calling bullshit on that.
I'm kind of hoping for this as well, but I suspect that's not what the Duffer brothers are planning.
I was around in the 80s too and if you are tryna tell me someone coming out back then was no big deal to damn near anyone then you are looking back through some seriously thick rose tinted glasses
It would've been a big deal, would it have been a big deal to *everyone*, I'm not sure. Steve had lived through monsters, special powers, Russian bases, and his own personal failures to launch, he just might be a bit open to the idea of someone liking girls. I still think Lucas and Max's casual relationship in a small town would be a bigger stink if we're going to talk about realism.
The background on the idea is interesting, apparently the Duffers did not intend on the subplot but it was something that came organically from the actors themselves as they played the characters and approached the writers to see if they could go that direction.
I would not agree with that. He's still from a Not-West-or-East-Coast town in the mid 1980s--the Reagan 1980s--and to that end, Robin would have likely remain closeted until she moved away, knowing the culture of that region.
The Duffers seem to pick and choose when realism is to be used; in season 2, Billy was the voice of racism, but he was an outsider. It appeared none of the longtime townsfolk blinked an eye at Lucas and Max's romance not from the Snowball, all the way through the end of season three, which--as you point out--would have been an issue for someone other than Billy, who again, was not a local, so his behavior makes no comment about town perceptions of race.
No one said it was "no big deal" or that it was easy for the person or their friends and family. I'm was countering your assertion that 'There was no such thing as "progressive" in the 1980s man." Which I still say is bullshit
In the 80's. I worked with and for gay and lesbian people. Most were out and proud. Many were also good friends. One woman I dated for a while came out to me. My response was to put her in contact with another lesbian I knew, hoping that would help her. So that's my 80's experience. Thick rose tinted glasses not required
Robin is still in the closet by the end of the season. Just because she admitted personal stuff to Steve when she was under the influence of the truth serum doesn't mean she is openly, publicly gay. As for Lucas and Max, the Duffers have just chosen not to show us any of the the reactions about their relationship outside of our main characters. It is a story telling decision, probably to keep the story limited to its primary focus--our characters and their adventures.
On a lighter note, Maya Hawke joins the long list of cast members who is also a musician. Unmentioned in the article, but according to her Instagram account, a music video for the first song will be released tomorrow.
At this point, they should start a band and call themselves Stranger Things.
Unfortunately, I doubt Robin will be out next season. Steve is just cool with it because it’s the least weird thing that happened to him in the last few years and even that day. After seeing monsters from alternate universes, fighting off said monsters, seeing a young girl use psychic powers, and then being trapped and almost killed in an underground Soviet base having your co-worker come out as gay probably seems quaint. Plus at that point, she is his friend and he is very loyal to his friends. Especially ones named Dustin.
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