When your show is given a truncated fifth season, that’s being cancelled.
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When your show is given a truncated fifth season, that’s being cancelled.
I mean, the best-case scenario is to let a show end on its own merits, when the original showrunner wants it to wrap up. Nothing is worse than when the creative team for the original show is pretty much done, wants to fold up, but the network figures there's still some juice left, so they want to run it into the ground with extraneous seasons until the fandom just peters out entirely.
I think he probably meant since 2009. Kurtzman was a writer and a producer of Star Trek '09 and Into Darkness, so he's not far off Berman's level of involvement in the franchise as one of the top brass.
He wasn't in charge of the franchise back then.
IIRC, Kurtzman was the junior most writer/producer on those movies. It wasn't until the modern TV era began that he became what can be considered "top brass."
"Cancelled" I think in this instance is not really appropriate. It reminds me how many misuse the term "reboot" as a term for any sequel. They are getting a set end point . SNW is their flagship show. They have been given multiple seasons renewals at a time similar to popular British shows like Father Brown and All Creatures Great and Small .
Even putting the technical definition aside, it does not feel like a traditional canceling where a show is under performing and they finally " pull the plug "on it.
Even putting the technical definition aside, it does not feel like a traditional canceling where a show is under performing and they finally " pull the plug "on it.
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He was still heavily involved in the development of those films. Its not like he was the tea boy or swept the floors. It was his writing and creativity that contributed to the final product we saw on screen.
I'm aware, but Berman wasn't in 1987 either.
Eh, he more or less was. When he started his role was that of studio watchdog who everyone understood would be officially taking over when Roddenberry left.
Perhaps the real Tellarites were on this forum the whole time.
Officially, then?
It's tough to open your mouth without someone jumping right down it.
If they were planning on at least five seasons (which we don’t know for sure), and the fifth season was announced as the last but was cut from ten episodes to six, I’m not sure how anyone wouldn’t get ‘cancelled’ from that. It’s like someone’s living in denial
Newsflash: Grey's Anomony to run for 2 more seasons , with the second being shortered in half. Canceled in disgrace
To paraphrase Geordi Laforge " That's the short definition of fan forums "
This is nonsense. There is a profound difference between being a junior staffer and being the executive in charge. As a junior staffer, you contribute, yes, but you don't have the power to ensure things go your way, because you can be overridden by your superiors. A lot of what Orci & Kurtzman wanted on the Kelvin movies got rejected by the more senior staffers -- e.g. Orci didn't want to redo Khan but was overruled, and Orci wanted more scientific plausibility but Abrams went more for fantasy.
Comparing Kurtzman's role in the Kelvin movies to his current role as the head of Secret Hideout is like comparing Jim Kirk's authority as a junior officer on the Farragut to his authority as Chief of Starfleet Operations prior to TMP. Hierarchy matters. The power dynamic matters. There's a massive difference between being a member of the team and leading the team, between being someone else's employee and being your own boss.
It's the same mistake people make when they claim that "Berman & Braga" were in charge from TNG onward even though Braga was the most junior member of Jeri Taylor's writing staff in the last couple of seasons of TNG and was subordinate to Taylor and Michael Piller in the first several seasons of VGR, and didn't actually become Berman's regular writing partner until ENT.
More accurately, Berman was the studio executive that Roddenberry and successive showrunners worked for, the equivalent of Herb Solow on TOS, although he often took a more hands-on creative role as well. That's basically Kurtzman's current role as the head of Secret Hideout, the boss of the various shows' individual showrunners.
It would actually be interesting to hear what his earnings from each movie were, so we can find out who fell beneath him in that regard. I don't think the junior officer/Kirk comparison is entirely accurate.
I suppose my use of the expression "top brass" is the main trigger point for a lot of the disagreement over my comment? Understood. Personally I would still consider him important to the development of these two movies, and possibly helped inform his future as Trek exec many years later. Feel free to disagree, but I see a lot of '09 still playing out in Trek today. The seeds of what would be the "Kurtzman era" were planted way back when.
Lastly, my first comment on the subject was more of an effort to decipher what trekfan_01 meant by Kurtzman being in the role almost as long as Berman. I probably shouldve left well alone.
Boy, I love Star Trek
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Other than Jack, how many would make the transition to series?
