Spoilers Strange New Worlds Episode 7 - Those Old Scientists
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That's a little confusing, because the only thing a post in a rating thread ought to achieve to some degree is rating the episode at hand, which this one certainly did.
Sorry, I promise I'm not trying to derail this any further. Just thought as this forum's moderator it's a little strange suggesting to a poster that there was something wrong with their post, when IMHO there absolutely wasn't. That is all.
I do not understand this obsession with Ortegas's behavior. She's not even in the top 5 badly behaved officers
Basically anyone who isn't stiff and serious with a stick up their ass like in the 90s shows is therefore automatically unprofessional and insubordinate. People don't watch Star Trek for fun characters.
Even Berman and Braga realized by 2001 they needed more fun main characters. So we got Trip. Dude spent half the series talking about food and whiskey and being jokey.
Probably because her character is underdeveloped so there isn’t much to focus on beyond the relentless quips.
I think this has gotten better this season. She feels more balanced, but she still needs development.
Yes I had a feeling that someone had done so in the past. It makes more sense in this episode due to Pike's 'promotion' but Kirk's Enterprise was most definitely not the flagship of the fleet. It was sent out on deep space exploration. That's not where you want your flagship to be.
Likewise. Lord knows it was never a thing on TOS back in the day.
Pretty much this. Ortegas is basically a glorified background character. Even Tasha Yar got more development in the few episodes she was in before dying. I found it ironic that Mayweather was her idol, as he was basically a glorified background character too.
I'm a fan of LD, and I had to get over that same conflict since we're told that LD is "canon". So for my own sanity, I've decided that LD is presented to the world in a wildly exaggerated way from true events. Maybe it's Mariner writing her memoirs in a funny/satirical way. That's why it's presented as a cartoon.
This episode of SNW is also an exaggeration of reality, only less so than an episode of LD. At least that's what works for me...
The creator of the show has said this is the case.
Indeed. It's not meant to be taken literally.
Ah, cool. I hadn't read that, but it certainly makes sense.
As for the flagship thing, I don't see any reason why the Enterprise can't be just another ship. The ship and the characters can be special to us. They don't need to be special, period.
That's how I've always seen the show from day one.
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Technically, in that episode, the Lexington should have been the flagship. It was carrying Commodore Wesley, a flag officer, in charge of a fleet (or at the very least a battlegroup) of equal or lesser ships.
RE: this whole "flagship" thing....writers are humans, and they don't always have the full breadth of knowledge and experience to use terms correctly. Odds are that some writers over the decades heard the term "flagship," thought it sounded cool, and started using it.
There is always one, though with TNG you have to squint to see it.
TOS: McCoy, Chekov, Uhura (early)
TNG: Riker, Ro, Troi's mother
DS9: Jadzia, Quark
VOY: Paris
ENT: Trip
DISCO: Tilly
PIC: Raffi, Seven
LD: who isn't?
SNW: Ortegas, Chapel
PRO: not Starfleet