I was going to say, that sounded quite like the opening to Generations.
Spoilers Strange New Worlds Episode 7 - Those Old Scientists
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That's (one of) the issues I have with LD the behavior in it is too farcical so it doesn't "fit." You're point about Riker being one of them. I don't see the "real" Riker going, "Give me a Warp 1, a 2, a 3..." like he's starting a jazz riff with Troi sitting there by him audibly groaning and rolling her eyes.
Is it funny? Yeah, a little. But it's hard to fit in the logic of a universe, and characters, I've loved since I was a teenager so I got annoyed. That's what LD it's annoying because it doesn't "fit."
I can mostly "take" the less serious/milatristic way people behave (I love her, but we all know Ortegas would be dressed down by every Trek captain we've seen before the current era of Trek including Pike himself.) But the LD behavior is too much on another realm and I'm being asked to accept that this is the same world where everything else happened too (even the sillier stuff we all hate.)
Square peg. Round hole.
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How dare they make Trek shows that cater to different tastes? Too much diversity in way too many combinations!
I loved it. Even if it wrecked my long treasured crazy fan theory that the NCC-1701 actually was the NX-01, several times upgraded as a testbed ship in the shipyards and finally pressed into service again.
I loved it. Even if it wrecked my long treasured crazy fan theory that the NCC-1701 actually was the NX-01, several times upgraded as a testbed ship in the shipyards and finally pressed into service again.
I can't even... "Spock's Brain", "Sub Rosa" and "11:59" are top-notch Star Trek episodes compared to this toilet bowl material.
Not a single redeemable thing about this dreck of a gimmick which is the worst of Trek.
0/10.
Not a single redeemable thing about this dreck of a gimmick which is the worst of Trek.
0/10.
Indeed, something tells me they don't wonder where the admiral is when someone references a flagship store, or flagship smartphone.
It was when he was having to expand ~30 minute episodes into entire books at that point. Blish never had to do that. Also, since it was The Counterclock Incident is was him doing everything he could to avoid writing about The Counterclock Incident. It takes up maybe a third of the book and is later revealed to have been an alien induced hallucination to see how gullible space faring people are. I may not have the details exact. But I think it's the only episode he entirely dismisses.
Well...
If "real" Riker does NOT say "Warp 5, 6, 7, 8..." then my life has no meaning anymore.
Yes, flagship is used to mean, “This is the essence of who we are, and the best we have to offer.”
You must be fun at parties
Thing is, we know Starfleet has some disturbing lax standards when it comes to its personnel. Just look at how many Captains and Admirals end up renegades or downright evil. And these are officers among the highest ranks. With that in mind, is it really so hard to believe that officers of entry-level rank on one of the fleet's bottom rung starships are immature and unprofessional.
And let's not pretend Lower Decks style silliness never happened in the other Treks. Remember in TNG when an officer on the Enterprise died and Data discussed the matter while doing a goofy Sherlock Holmes impersonation? Is this the kind of "adult professional" behavior you want brought into the modern Treks?
Again I bring up the character Jack O'Neill from Stargate, a Colonel in the US Air Force who is routinely rude, sarcastic, and insubordinate to the point he once said to a General "If it weren't for me you'd currently have a snake in your head instead of your head up your ass" and got away with it. And according to one former USAF Chief of Staff, there are many actual Colonels who act exactly like O'Neill, and many more who are much worse.
According to Trek novel authors who have faced criticism for supposedly "unprofessional" Starfleet officers in their novels and who have themselves served in the military, in the military so long as a person is really good at their job, leeway is given with their personality. Mostly in recognition of the fact that they have a stressful job and if a snarky attitude and sarcastic one-liners help them deal with the stress, than that's a better alternative to having keep getting stressed out to the point they become miserable. It's not so much of a stretch to consider Starfleet would operate under a similar principle. With that in mind, we know Ortegas is damn good at her job, so it makes sense Pike gives her leeway in her personality.
In a Starfleet where Ron Tracey can psychologically fall apart so easily and become a threat to life and limb I can totally see Boimler and Mariner having Starfleet careers. We've just gone from a 23rd century Starfleet with poorly-screened out officers who have serious emotional health issues to a 24th century one where the class clowns and constant f-ups somehow manage to at least keep their commissions if not ever rapidly ascend up the ladder of rank and authority.
For “Log Seven”, ADF was able to adapt a spec script that he wrote for Roddenberry (on the off-chance that TOS would come back for a fourth live-action series, with GR back in charge). ADF had written and filed a two-parter featuring Kumara, now a captain, but previously a former roommate of Kirk’s when they were part of a Klingon exchange program.
I once asked ADF if he remembered that script’s title but, sadly, he no longer remembered and no longer has a copy of that script.
I hope you feel better after that rant. Such rants don’t really achieve much.
Unless the stores are military or semi-military in nature the example is not apt.
And, when I did work in retail the flagship store was next to the corporate headquarters meaning executive leaders would be there regularly.
Damn straight.
What do you mean, “achieve”? This is the thread where we rate a specific episode of SNW. Agree with that poster's opinion or not (which I certainly don't), but he's doing exactly that in the place that's meant for that. Unless you want to say you only want to allow positive opinions here. Again, I personally find this opinion and specifically the way in which it is presented way over the top. But I still think there's essentially nothing wrong with voicing that here.
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Something which is still going on in the 25th century. In season 3 of Picard we have Captain Shaw, an officer who everyone (even the villain) knows has been dealing with mental health issues for the past thirty years which he has done nothing to address. Yet he still made Captain and was given command of a starship.
The OP is most welcome to an opinion, but ranting like that is hardly interesting reading, nor is it going to persuade others, or make the creators of SNW and LD do things differently.
Likewise, those of us who rated the episode a 10 are not going to convince the OP to like the episode.
It “achieves” very little.
Respectfully, it wasn't a rant, it was just a negative review. It achieves exactly the same thing as a glowing one.
To be fair, he probably hasn't had to deal with the Borg since his initial trauma. Picard and Seven being there brought it back up
I always think about this when I see the bullshit hoops Starfleet made poor Wesley Crusher jump through to get into the academy...no wonder they're all weird/evil/damaged...the academy intake process is Willy Wonka levels of fucked up!
If McCoy can get away with half the shit he said, I think Ortegas will be just fine.