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Spoilers Strange New Worlds Episode 7 - Those Old Scientists

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Yistaan said:
This episode is popular to a lot of people apparently. For those who don't understand my confusion and the viewpoint of those who don't like Lower Decks, try to imagine if you wake up one day and look on your local Star Wars website and find out that Jar-Jar Binks is suddenly one of SW's most popular characters,
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Not a great argument. Jar-Jar is mostly universally hated as a character, while Lower Decks is enjoyed by most and hated by a very vocal minority. Hell it has been putting out better stories and Trek based themes than any of the Picard/Disco drivel.

You set out to hate it, and congrats you did. Well done on wasting your own time.
 
Serveaux said:
If it's desperately important to anyone, it's entirely plausible that the damaged NCC-1701 that had been docked at Earth for decommissioning at the beginning of ST III had parts removed from it for a variety of reasons. One would be damage analysis - useful in new hull, shield and weapon design. Another would be that self-same tradition of intending to install some of it in a new build.

One could go further, and assume that of the many tons of material removed from the TOS ship in order to refit it - say, the entirety of two big honkin' nacelles, for instance - some had been warehoused by Starfleet. The refit is not a new ship, it's a, uh, refit of the TOS Enterprise. So archived bits of the TOS ship would serve for the exact same traditional purpose as stuff from the refit.
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It doesn’t even have to be a piece of the hull or something like that. They took some kind of NX-01 bottle from under the floor. I’m sure they stored plenty of stuff from the Enterprise for the fleet museum (given the historical nature of Kirk’s tenure) before the refit so all they had to do for the A is grab something, anything and have it installed. Even if it’s just a piece of the Captains chair or something.
 
My guess is that was some kind of warp plasma bottle or deuterium container from the NX-01. Being installed in the NCC-1701's Engine Room doesn't necessarily mean an engineering connection but that prop just had a "this was in Trip's engine room 100 years ago" feel to it.
 
StarMan said:
Boimler mentioned how realistic the away team looked when he first came through the portal - a clear reference to their non-cartoon appearance.
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I took that to mean that in his woozy mind he believed he was in a holodeck simulation, especially given his later behavior after waking up in sick bay. I didn’t even think of the meta meaning until it was brought up here.

(I don’t believe it has been specifically mentioned anywhere but it’s my belief that holodeck recreations can vary in their allegiance to historical reality — admittedly I very much have a bias toward that belief…)
 
Yistaan said:
I'm disabled in real life, and a minority (Asian). Seriously, that's where you want to take this?
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Yeah fine whatever, claim whatever sort of status you want because I’m not the one who is bringing race into this.

I am strictly speaking about Star Trek and if you want I am perfectly happy to get a moderator involved if you’re going to insinuate I’m being a bigot because I’m calling you out on bullshit
 
Yistaan said:
This episode is popular to a lot of people apparently. For those who don't understand my confusion and the viewpoint of those who don't like Lower Decks, try to imagine if you wake up one day and look on your local Star Wars website and find out that Jar-Jar Binks is suddenly one of SW's most popular characters, there's a whole tv show about him, the crossover episode of Andor where Jar-Jar appeared is considered one of Andor's best episodes, and if you say anything remotely critical about the episode (not to the point where you're hazing Ahmed Best towards suicide of course, that was horrific that people actually did that) but just minor stuff saying this show and this character aren't really that great, you're told off as saying you don't like Star Wars and that you're not really a Star Wars fan.
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I'm far from a fan of LD, and I'm not really an SNW fan either, but if an episode works, it works. This worked.

NO ONE is going to tell me, "You're not a Star Trek fan for not loving these two shows!"
 
Peace out all, it's gotten to the point where I'm being personally attacked about fictional characters. I reported the poster in question and will try to calm down a bit after the personal attacks which were pretty draining.
 
Was anyone else reminded of the shuttle access panel in "The Galileo Seven" when they find the NX-01 piece in this episode? I thought it was a very intentional Easter egg when I watched this last night, but I see they're pretty different now.

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Racefuel said:
Once again, no one is saying if you don’t like the episode or Lower Decks that you’re not a Trek fan
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The concept of the true fan is like that of the True Scotsman. It's utter bullshit, and it's tiresome of people to repeatedly assert, year after year, that their opinions are made more significant about the amount of trivia they've memorized or number of times they've watched the shows under discussion. It's just as obnoxious when people offer the claim of "higher standards" as a reason for taking them seriously.

"Higher standards" virtually always mean "very specific preferences" and nothing more.
 
Romulan_spy said:
I take issue with the Jar Jar Binks comparison. LD is not Jar Jar Binks level. LD is a funny and charming meta look at Trek. But maybe you should ask yourself why this crossover is the most popular SNW episode (currently standing at 91.4%)?
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Because people are squeezing over at and not "grading" it? This episode is really a good as Far Beyond the Stars, The Inner Light, Best of Both Worlds, In the Pale Moonlight, The Visitor, City on the Edge of Forever?

Really? This episode is THAT good? People are reacting, not grading. If you think this episode is good, fine, if you think it's a 10, fine. But it's 91% a 10? This episode as that perfect, flawless and fantastic? Really?
 
Dukhat said:
Nobody knew the NCC-1701 was going to get blown up over Genesis. How would anyone have gotten anything from it?

Additionally, how would anyone have gotten ahold of any C wreckage?
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Because the wreckage doesn’t all just vanish and it’s possible for people to go and collect it. Just like we do when ships sink even if we didn’t know they were going to.
 
Trekker4747 said:
Because people are squeezing over at and not "grading" it? This episode is really a good as Far Beyond the Stars, The Inner Light, Best of Both Worlds, In the Pale Moonlight, The Visitor, City on the Edge of Forever?

Really? This episode is THAT good? People are reacting, not grading. If you think this episode is good, fine, if you think it's a 10, fine. But it's 91% a 10? This episode as that perfect, flawless and fantastic? Really?
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People like different things.
 
Trekker4747 said:
Because people are squeezing over at and not "grading" it? This episode is really a good as Far Beyond the Stars, The Inner Light, Best of Both Worlds, In the Pale Moonlight, The Visitor, City on the Edge of Forever?
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No. It's not. But it wasn't trying to be. It's a different type of good.

I also don't think any of the episodes you listed are as good as the film Interstellar. It's all relative.

Really? This episode is THAT good? People are reacting, not grading. If you think this episode is good, fine, if you think it's a 10, fine. But it's 91% a 10? This episode as that perfect, flawless and fantastic? Really?
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I gave it a 10 because it perfectly accomplished what it set out to do. For what it is, it did it very well.
 
It’s just the endless drumbeat from of “I don’t like XYZ and because of that I’m being attacked and peer pressured” when there has been absolutely positively no one in this thread saying even remotely anything like that is so disingenuous.

No one has been attacked or degraded for not liking Lower Decks.

On the contrary, the Lower Decks/SNW critics came into this thread swinging and have started crying wolf when they’re being told either to knock it off or that the victim act is bullshit
 
Hell, I spent most of the first two years scatting on DSC because of the show's creative choices and stories yet never once felt personally attacked for finding DSC in those years to be (mostly) mediocre Trek. But I also didn't wear my criticism of the series as some badge of honor or wield it like a warrior's blade as I ride into combat with the unwashed enemy masses.
 
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