Strange decision : A Good Man Ges To War *spoilers*

[G2309]

Did anyone else find it strange that after all his talk of the dealeks being less threatening with each appearence. Moffat decided to destroy a cyberman fleet within the first 30 seconds of this episode? Now cybermen seem even less serious as a threat and doing it doesn't seem t serve much purpose to the story.
I guess it was more acceptable to see the Dr destroying a fleet of cybermen casually rather than evil humans.

 

[Whofan]

Spoiler: Cybermen

Apparentally this will have consequences as the Cybermen will return later in the season.

 

[Mr Awe]

Wouldn't it be interesting if we found that the reason the Cybermen became militaristic and expansionistic was as a form of self-defense against the Doctor who could destroy one of their fleets at will? I mean, if a creature could do that to you, you'd want to become stronger to be able to protect yourself. It could push them in that direction.

Mr Awe

 

[PorthosShadow]

Wouldn't it be interesting if we found that the reason the Cybermen became militaristic and expansionistic was as a form of self-defense against the Doctor who could destroy one of their fleets at will? I mean, if a creature could do that to you, you'd want to become stronger to be able to protect yourself. It could push them in that direction.

Mr Awe

That was the point of AGMGTW in that The Doctor has instilled so much fear in his enemies that he has made them more aggressive. Now of course, that was an unintentional side-effect but it is The Doctor effect.

 

[Marc]

Did anyone else find it strange that after all his talk of the dealeks being less threatening with each appearence. Moffat decided to destroy a cyberman fleet within the first 30 seconds of this episode? Now cybermen seem even less serious as a threat and doing it doesn't seem t serve much purpose to the story.
I guess it was more acceptable to see the Dr destroying a fleet of cybermen casually rather than evil humans.

Well they'll say the Doctor blew up the cyberfleet but we all know they self destructed when they heard Rory was in the sector.

 

[PorthosShadow]

Did anyone else find it strange that after all his talk of the dealeks being less threatening with each appearence. Moffat decided to destroy a cyberman fleet within the first 30 seconds of this episode? Now cybermen seem even less serious as a threat and doing it doesn't seem t serve much purpose to the story.
I guess it was more acceptable to see the Dr destroying a fleet of cybermen casually rather than evil humans.

Well they'll say the Doctor blew up the cyberfleet but we all know they self destructed when they heard Rory was in the sector.

That reminds me of how quickly The Mangalore's gave up when their leader was killed in "The Fifth Element"

 

[Mr Awe]

Wouldn't it be interesting if we found that the reason the Cybermen became militaristic and expansionistic was as a form of self-defense against the Doctor who could destroy one of their fleets at will? I mean, if a creature could do that to you, you'd want to become stronger to be able to protect yourself. It could push them in that direction.

Mr Awe

That was the point of AGMGTW in that The Doctor has instilled so much fear in his enemies that he has made them more aggressive. Now of course, that was an unintentional side-effect but it is The Doctor effect.

True, but that was for the specific forest place people. I'm talking about, what if the Cybermen we've seen through out the series are that way because of the Doctor?

Mr Awe

 

[PorthosShadow]

Wouldn't it be interesting if we found that the reason the Cybermen became militaristic and expansionistic was as a form of self-defense against the Doctor who could destroy one of their fleets at will? I mean, if a creature could do that to you, you'd want to become stronger to be able to protect yourself. It could push them in that direction.

Mr Awe

That was the point of AGMGTW in that The Doctor has instilled so much fear in his enemies that he has made them more aggressive. Now of course, that was an unintentional side-effect but it is The Doctor effect.

True, but that was for the specific forest place people. I'm talking about, what if the Cybermen we've seen through out the series are that way because of the Doctor?

Mr Awe

Then what would end up happening is that every bad thing that has happened in the universe(s) is The Doctors fault.

 

[Whofan]

Regarding the Cybermen being less effective-in their color serials, the original Cybermen have a weakness to gold that gets progressively more silly. So this isn't quite as bad as getting destroyed by gold nuggets....

 

[Butters]

Wouldn't it be interesting if we found that the reason the Cybermen became militaristic and expansionistic was as a form of self-defense against the Doctor who could destroy one of their fleets at will? I mean, if a creature could do that to you, you'd want to become stronger to be able to protect yourself. It could push them in that direction.

Mr Awe

That was the point of AGMGTW in that The Doctor has instilled so much fear in his enemies that he has made them more aggressive. Now of course, that was an unintentional side-effect but it is The Doctor effect.

True, but that was for the specific forest place people. I'm talking about, what if the Cybermen we've seen through out the series are that way because of the Doctor?

Mr Awe

The Doctor was there at the Genesis or the cybs. We already know their MO.

 

[Sindatur]

Regarding the Cybermen being less effective-in their color serials, the original Cybermen have a weakness to gold that gets progressively more silly. So this isn't quite as bad as getting destroyed by gold nuggets....

Or a "Gold Star for Mathematical Excellence"

 

[Whofan]

There's actually a funny scene in the audio "Spare Parts" (Which tells an origin story for the Mondasian Cybermen). Basically, the Doctor tries to use gold on a Cybermen prototype (That are pretty much the Tenth Planet Cybermen) and nothing happens.

 

[Skellington]

Well they'll say the Doctor blew up the cyberfleet but we all know they self destructed when they heard Rory was in the sector.

Either that or Rory thought the word "BANG!".

True, but that was for the specific forest place people. I'm talking about, what if the Cybermen we've seen through out the series are that way because of the Doctor?

Mr Awe

Then what would end up happening is that every bad thing that has happened in the universe(s) is The Doctors fault.

The Batman effect. Not sure about the Cybermen, but it would be easy to interpret the Daleks' expansion as being almost symbiotic with the Doctor's interference. Iirc he had never heard of them in season one. Now they're a universe-class threat capable of taking out the Time Lords. Maybe it's a similar thing withthe Cybermen.

 

[Dukhat]

Regarding the Cybermen being less effective-in their color serials, the original Cybermen have a weakness to gold that gets progressively more silly. So this isn't quite as bad as getting destroyed by gold nuggets....

Shameless plug for my Cyberman essay...

 

[Solariabsg25]

Regarding the Cybermen being less effective-in their color serials, the original Cybermen have a weakness to gold that gets progressively more silly. So this isn't quite as bad as getting destroyed by gold nuggets....

Or a "Gold Star for Mathematical Excellence"

At least in 'Earthshock' gold worked the way it was supposed to (The Doctor had to grind it into the chest panel to clog up the system).

By 'Silver Nemesis', gold had turned into silver-bullets, you just had to shoot it into a Cyberman to take it down.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Regarding the Cybermen being less effective-in their color serials, the original Cybermen have a weakness to gold that gets progressively more silly. So this isn't quite as bad as getting destroyed by gold nuggets....

Or a "Gold Star for Mathematical Excellence"

At least in 'Earthshock' gold worked the way it was supposed to (The Doctor had to grind it into the chest panel to clog up the system).

By 'Silver Nemesis', gold had turned into silver-bullets, you just had to shoot it into a Cyberman to take it down.

Yeah, the original idea was it's non-corrodable and so plates their breathing apparatus and suffocates them. By Silly Nemesis gold coins explode on contact with them!

 

[G2309]

I was looking more for areason from a writers standpoint rather than an in universe reason. Just doesn't seem a good way of making the cybermen scary. But maye there's a greater purpose.

 

[Stevil2001]

Yeah, after all the complaining about RTD's "Cybusmen," Moffat brings back the Telosian Cybermen, and they're the lamest Cybermen yet!

 

[diankra]

There's actually a funny scene in the audio "Spare Parts" (Which tells an origin story for the Mondasian Cybermen). Basically, the Doctor tries to use gold on a Cybermen prototype (That are pretty much the Tenth Planet Cybermen) and nothing happens.

My rationale on the gold weakness (and the various earlier cyber-weaknesses) is that the Cybermen will redesign to solve one weakness, but not notice they're creting another. A bit strained, but at least it explains why they kept on having a new weakness and a new design in story after story after story...

 

[DWF]

Or a "Gold Star for Mathematical Excellence"

At least in 'Earthshock' gold worked the way it was supposed to (The Doctor had to grind it into the chest panel to clog up the system).

By 'Silver Nemesis', gold had turned into silver-bullets, you just had to shoot it into a Cyberman to take it down.

Yeah, the original idea was it's non-corrodable and so plates their breathing apparatus and suffocates them. By Silly Nemesis gold coins explode on contact with them!

None of the gold coins exploded on contact, in fact you can see thee Cyberleader take the coin out and get back up.