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Straight Up Niners: How Would You Have (re) Written ST: Voyager?

I'm going to put aside some of the logistical problems Voyager was saddled with of having to carry a new (doomed) network and being launched at the same TNG ended and then having to compete with DS9 for talent, attention, etc because I think most people agree this hurt the show.

I think Voyager should have been truer to and braver with its premise. Voyager should have been a generational ship. The show should have skipped ahead years even decades over the course of the series. It should have had one or two core characters that were the focus of the show and around whom characters would form relationships, marry, have children, grow old and then whose children take up the cause. I'm thinking something like Children in Time - but on starship lost in the Delta Quadrant, etc.

I also wanted to seem more about why these characters were desperately trying to get home. How about showing us with some flashbacks, etc. We needed to know why this was the case because, being members of Starfleet, I'd just assumed they'd already chosen to make a starship in the middle of nowhere rather than Earth their home anyway.
 
- First and foremost, I would have kept the events from Year of Hell as cannon - no question!

- I would have used the Vidiians, Hirogen, and Borg as villains, make the Kazon more interesting, and used some recurring villains from Year of Hell and other episodes (maybe Counterpoint).

- I'd have kept the tension between the Maquis and Voyager crew - really show their differences, but have them remain uneasy allies and eventually friends.

- I'd have focused on all members of the crew equally, though with more time to the Captain, and not have given every other episode to 7 of 9.

- I'd change Neelix's character so he had a definite function.

- The Doctor would remain awesome.
 
My 2 biggest problems with VGR:
(1) Although they started with a concept of limited rersources, that was dropped around season 3, making the journey too easy
(2) Too much of a drive to get home at all costs

Janeway had this constant drive to get the ship and crew home to Federation space that was never really explained and lead to many questionable decisions by her. And illegal decisions in some cases. It was the only real thing Chakotay ever fought her on (like in Scorpion).

Really, it was only the decision in (1) to make the journey magically easier that really allowed for the continued drive for home in (2). If resources were more realisticly hard to replace/find, then VGR would have been forced to slow their journey and create more alliances, then maybe find that there are things more important things than getting back to your physical birthplace.

The best VGR story ever was the novella "Places of Exile" written by Christopher
L. Bennett (my favorite Star Trek author) in the Myriad Universes: Infinity's Prism anthology. It showed the VGR running into difficulties, having to create alliances with the local aliens (based on very Federation ideals of working together), starting to care about the local relations more than getting physically home to the Alpha Quadrant, taking the time to understand Species 8472 and work with them against the Borg, eventually choosing to stay and make a new life, then eventually contacting the Federation long distance and even having the new Delta Quadrant Federation they helped create potitioning to and then joining the Federation. So our characters find a way "home" to the Federation by being true to their ideals and not really worrying about getting to the physical space of the Alpha Quadrant.

I would also have liked some other changes, like longer "warming" period between the Maquis and Starfleet crews, Kes powers developed more, Seven of Nine and the Doctor getting into romantic relationship, more Alpha Quadrant ships from the Caretaker showing up occasionally.
 
Yep, the Maquis tension thing seem to fizzle and never worked out. The Maquis never seemed to be much of a threat to begin with.

Even though they were Fed citizens with a sense of righteousness, at times for the plot's sake they were often portrayed as downright villains.

Were we to believe the Maquis were "evil" and as a result Janeway and her crew couldn't turn their backs on them for a second?

For some reason, most of the opportunities for real suspense were tossed out.

When they got closer to home, and they made regular communications with Starfleet, that threw out any suspense left about actually getting home.

The background crew and characters- they seem to hardly exist, and that made it hard to think of Voyager as a crew, just the main characters.

So many ideas, so much potential...
 
I've never been comfortable with Voyager's theme of getting back home. What if it wasn't a TV show? Would these people have one chance in a trillion of getting back in seven years time? I think, and yeah especially because they're advanced Federation citizens, they'd have focused mostly on continuing to make the most of their lives, and exploring, and leaving a trail behind them of peoples influenced for the better. They'd have set a course for Federation territory, sure, but they wouldn't let their unfortunate situation take away one iota from what their lives would have been without it. Easier said than done, but so is going up against a Borg tactical cube.
 
I think, and yeah especially because they're advanced Federation citizens, they'd have focused mostly on continuing to make the most of their lives, and exploring, and leaving a trail behind them of peoples influenced for the better.

This is why the show lost me with "The 37s." You've pretty well established they have almost no chance of getting home and a good chunk of the crew aren't Starfleet, but Federation colonists. Now I'm supposed to believe that NOT EVEN ONE of these people would choose to join a thriving human colony? I'm sorry, but that's just not credible.
 
Right, you know I barely remember the episode but I think the idea was to get everybody to go gung ho on a for heading home without any real consideratiin for their situation. Not of their technologies work, right? It was Kess's magical transformation that catapulted them far and then the Borg's transwarp conduits. We never got to see what this human colony was like and that could have been an episode or two dealing with stuff there.
 
They didn't show a lot of it, but they said it was a city of millions and that the aliens that took their ancestors there might come back. Plus they could make a real difference by teaching them Federation technology. I'd have to think at least one Maquis would want to stay there unless all of them had something drawing them back. The rah-rah ending of everyone being loyal to Janeway just didn't work for me.
 
I have started my own ReBoot of Voyager, with some changes in cast brought about by discussions over at the Star Trek Photomanipulation Archieves, which switches Riker and Janeway and made Ro the Captain of the Maquis.

But in my little universe, I will keep a close eye on shuttles (they only have four and the Aeroshuttle), as well as make finding resources, food, etc a more important factor, and crew morale will be another feature that will have significance. I also have a strict guide of how many crew there are, broken down into Starfleet and Maquis, as well as including a greater number and variety of aliens (not just Vulcans, Bajorans and Bolians).

Season 4 will be a "season of change", after Seven (who is a male officer adbucted from the Enterprise during their first encounter with the Borg) comes aboard. During the season: the events of "Year of Hell" won't be reset, one of the main cast will be left with a disability, the EMH will be lost, Voyager will find another Starfleet ship lost in the DQ (not the Equinox however), the ship's first baby will have a major development.

However, one big think that would change would be the ship returning home at the start of Season 7, so that the crew has to adjust to all that has happened and changed.
 
Interesting. I would say the Riker/Ro thing is a bit too Small-Universe Syndrome, but it would make sense sending someone who knows Ro after her. Especially if it's not too long after "Preemptive Strike."

I also like the wider variety of Federation species - Voyager was waaay too human-heavy. I wonder what the Andorians would have looked like if they were introduced earlier. I don't think they'd look as traditional. I see foreheads, contact lenses, teeth, etc. Their skin and hair coloring was different in their premier on ENT too. I wonder if they'd have four sexes?

I'd like to see some more "different" aliens too. What would the dynamics of a species of clones like the Arcturians be like? Or the oversexed Deltans? Strike the Deltans. Network television couldn't do them properly. Too many taboos. Forget homo or bisexuality. Think incest, statutory rape, polygamy, and other wholesome goodness. Hell, my stomach's clenching just writing it.
 
- Janeway would have been the ship's XO who survived after Voyager's Captain had died in the accident that sent them across space.
- The Starfleet-Maquis conflict would have actually been on-going rather than something that got lip-service for a few episodes and then went away.
- the "Chakotay" character would have been older, perhaps portrayed by Graham Greene (Dances With Wolves). he would have been one of Janeway's instructors back at the Academy. This complicates the Chakotay-Janeway relationship by having them adversaries and Student-Mentor at the same time.
- The ship would have gotten progressively won as the series went on, and not miraculously pristine every week no matter what had happened last week.
 
I think the changes I would make would be:
Make voyager an older ship like the heavy crusers mentioned earlier
No EMH, I would use the nelix character to replace the ships original doctor and he would be a bit more like Phlox in ENT.
Chakotay would be more important as a go between the crew and janeway, and he should bring her up on more of her idealistic ideas.
Harry kim would have only been the relief ops officer and have to take the senior position post pilot episode.
Have tom as Nick lacarno (he was basically the same character to begin with anyway).
 
The only thing I'd change was to make the villains more ruthless.
Have the Kazon actually murder some crew members.
Show quick glimpses of the Hirogen eating someone.
Make them less reasonable and have them track & stalk Voyager.
Have the Starfleet security tactics blend in some of the Maquis guerilla fighting tactics.
Have a few crewmen get assimilated.
I don't mind the ship is in good condition week after week but you gotta allow some of the crew to get hurt.......and not have it be a reset every time.
However, I don't want Voyager to be as darkly dramatic as DS9.
I enjoyed the lite heartedness of it because expolring should be fun sometimes.
Plus I think it sticks with Treks theme of hope of a better future, which DS9 got away from.

.........and add a few extra mins to "Endgame" to at least give a better conclusion to the fate of these folks once they got home.
 
I've been wanting someone to ask this for a long time.

I'd make Voyager a bit of a larger ship, maybe something like an upgraded Ambassador-class. I'd also change the Maquis to someone like... Cardassians or Romulans. That way, there'd be some REAL tension between the two crews.

I'd also have it so that the Caretaker brought other Alpha Quadrant races into the DQ, and maybe have Voyager ally them in some episodes as well(All of them would be trying to get home, so they could be recurring characters).

And as the series went on, and Voyager took more damage, they'd have to replace Starfleet equipment with alien equipment, making Voyager look more alien as the series went on.

But most importantly... I'd make it so the starship didn't break down due to cheese. :lol:
 
I've always said that I wish Phlox would have been the doctor on Voyager, and the holo doc had been a real life human doctor on Enterprise. Then combine Neelix's backstory in Phlox to give him a reason to want to help Voyager.

Also I wouldn't have killed Seska, such a great character wasted to soon.
 
Well as a Kes Fan the only thing id change was Kim, killing Kim off at the season 3/4 (species 8472). Still having 7 on the show (i still dont like her) and Kes helping 7 recover her humanity.


Sadly id also NOT have Chakotay as first officer (or in the show), He is with out a doubt the most ANOYING first officer STAR TREK has seen and thats saying something.

id have Voyager make it home by the 5th season, draging it out another 3 yrs was pointless.

Voyager Returns home (to Earth) only to find that the Breen have attacked it (DS9 Season 4/5), Voyager and the DEFIANT work together to stop the Dom War.
 
Well as a Kes Fan the only thing id change was Kim, killing Kim off at the season 3/4 (species 8472). Still having 7 on the show (i still dont like her) and Kes helping 7 recover her humanity.


Sadly id also NOT have Chakotay as first officer (or in the show), He is with out a doubt the most ANOYING first officer STAR TREK has seen and thats saying something.

id have Voyager make it home by the 5th season, draging it out another 3 yrs was pointless.

Voyager Returns home (to Earth) only to find that the Breen have attacked it (DS9 Season 4/5), Voyager and the DEFIANT work together to stop the Dom War.

Damn straight Kess. Very good, you're full of win:bolian::techman:
 
I have to echo the ideas on Voyager building a new vast alliance with various other races. Not only does it make for several intriguing arcs, it made for a fitting reversal to the other Trek. The threat of the Gamma Quadrant threatens to destroy the Federation on DS9 while the hopes of the of the Delta Quadrant will potentially allow it to be reborn thanks to Voyager.

In addition, perhaps the nature of the Maquis goes beyond just a willingness to bend the rules, but maybe a real schism in the citizens of the Federation. Make the agreement over the DMZ more of the straw that broke the camel's back with some of the Maquis showing resentment for the Prime Directive, Starfleet's noninterference in the Cardassian Occupation, etc.

Hence the building of this proto-Federation also has conflict between the traditional Starfleet officers, the radical Maquis members, and the various Delta Quadrant species. As a result of this input, the final alliance embodies much of the spirit of the UFP but in many ways is a much different beast.

Definitely make Janeway a largely untested officer initially way out of her element, but gradually growing and adapting over the years. The relationship between her and Chatokay is more of a partnership at first, with the two practically being co-captains given Chakotay's vast field experience in comparison to her. Over time she gets more confident and he defers to here authority more and more.

The ship does end up home in the sixth season finale, but it comes about specifically because of their work in creating an alliance in the Delta Quadrant. The last year of the show are devoted to the crew's reaction to what's happened back home (the Borg incursion, the Dominion War, how Starfleet has changed) and the eventual encounter of the Federations in both the Alpha and Gamma quadrants.

Character bits:
-The Doctor is largely the same, though he pursues romantic relationships earlier than he does in original canon.
-Tuvok is initially a by the book Vulcan and Starfleet officer, who gets more emotional (and hotheaded) as the years go by and the lack of contact with other Vulcans starts to affect him. He is the biggest opposition against the Maquis at first, being fairly distant and aloof dealing with them.
-Paris remains a major black sheep to the Federation and Maquis officer (even though he is a technical member the latter) for a long time, largely because he remains remarkably cynical towards the ideals of both groups. Initially out for himself, his relationships with those from the two sides (Kim and Torres) eventually softens his rougher edges.
-Neelix is a very old and eccentric figure, someone who's seen it all and done it all in the Delta Quadrant. His own personal interests and goals are so very different from the crew's, with his own biases occasionally playing a part as a liaison and guide. Eventually the crew does find some common ground with him.
-Kim is wet behind the ears idealist, initially looking up to Tuvok. An unlikely friendship with Paris and the difficult years in building a new Federation affect him deeply, and he struggles with his Starfleet principles vs the contrasting reality around him. While emotionally vulnerable at points, with his skills he turns into an efficient jack of all trades on the ship, working in several different departments. He is often a secondary character.
-Kes is a traumatized refugee rescued by the crew after they're stranded who's attraction to the concept like the Federation leads to her being gradually trained as a Starfleet officer on the ship and her involvement in the alliance building for the proto-Federation. She has a romance with Kim for some time.
-Torres is half-Romulan as opposed to half-Klingon, and is the more calculating, pragmatic Maquis in contrast to the emotionally driven Chakotay. While still in engineering, much of her role is as a leading planner and designer of the proto-Federation. She is the only initial friend to Tom Paris at the beginning, which grows into a romance eventually.
 
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thats ur opinion but janeway and chakotay disagreed on many occasions like parallax,Scorpion,resolutions,equinox...plus the maquis and starfleet were always in disagreement in the first 3 seasons. it was clear if u expect that every episode was gonna be maquis vs starfleet that would be even more boring.
 
Personally, I would have like to have seen Voyager return in about 2 seasons and join the Dom War and give us another perspective and sector than DS9

Then...................


I would make the mission into the Delta Quadrant a mission, not a mistake. I would have an engine that could get them out there, but couldn't get them back and have them explore the Quadrant without all the "should we leave or live our lives out in this Quadrant" nonsense. I would have them take their families, and give them communication with the Alpha Quadrant. I would have them train a new generation of crew members, have renewable energies they could use to make spare parts, and make the show about exploration, not creating a family.
 
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