Still the best?
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I, too, am a fan of Spock's Brain.
If you watch 60s TV it was typical to portray females as emotional and easily frightened. I'm not saying it happened all the time but going back to that scene in Arena, Uhura puts her hands to her mouth and screams when Kirk vanishes. No man on the show had a reaction like that.
Spock's Brain is great for the pure absurdity of it. It's great fun but it's also one hell of a clunker
Was there an episode where Chekov didn't scream?
I think in the Empath two scientists "died of fright" or their own fears or something. In Spock's brain the men ran in fright from the ladies.
I can recall several male screams during TOS some even coming from Kirk but admittedly usually those involved alien monsters squishing them.
Yeh but he still looked like a jerk.
Agreed. One of the worst directives of the Berman era series is the hardline shift for Federation characters to tell others (In so many words) how much more "enlightened" they were, essentially a "We know better than you common / superstitious / emotional fools. We will tell you how to live" kinds of characters, which lacks true humanity, and how there's never a single, finger-wagging answer for all species.
"Still the best?" I'm inclined to still say yes.
I would rank ToS a close second to TNG. Both are a cut above the others. Though they each have their faults (as does all Trek).
TNG struggled to find its footing early. Season 1 is not particularly good. S3 is when it starts to click regularly.
ToS was great out of the gate & suffered in S3 as the short budget & studio restraints took their toll. It is the original and in some ways that makes it the best. In others the 60's sensibilities haven't worn as well. Perhaps it has the best batting average in terms of excellent episodes. Best movies by a long shot (Kahn, Voyage Home, Undiscovered).
TV:
1. TNG (Stewart & Spiner)
2. TOS
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I view the others as anout equal. DS9 ended the strongest so I guess I would go:
3. DS9
4. VOY
5. ENT (last episode was awful)
Movies:
1. ToS (easily)
2. TNG
3. Abrams/Kelvin
TNG struggled to find its footing early. Season 1 is not particularly good. S3 is when it starts to click regularly.
ToS was great out of the gate & suffered in S3 as the short budget & studio restraints took their toll. It is the original and in some ways that makes it the best. In others the 60's sensibilities haven't worn as well. Perhaps it has the best batting average in terms of excellent episodes. Best movies by a long shot (Kahn, Voyage Home, Undiscovered).
TV:
1. TNG (Stewart & Spiner)
2. TOS
----------gap----------
I view the others as anout equal. DS9 ended the strongest so I guess I would go:
3. DS9
4. VOY
5. ENT (last episode was awful)
Movies:
1. ToS (easily)
2. TNG
3. Abrams/Kelvin
TOS was my favorite for most of my life until I watched DS9 last year. I have nothing but love and affection for TOS and I'm thinking of doing a full rewatch again soon. But I gotta give DS9 an edge in terms of story and characterization.
I think about this often. I wonder sometimes if it's turning into a "you had to be there" thing, and that there's a good dollop of nostalgia involved.
TOS is "my" Trek, and while I find much to like in TNG and the later series, especially DS9 and ENT (and now DSC), I don't return to rewatch the newer shows. For me, TOS has aged much better than TNG, and its heroes are mythology to me. I care about these characters. I enjoy novels and other extensions of TOS in ways that I have no interest in when it comes to TNG+
The TNG era shows occupy a space of Trek that was okay, but I never felt ownership of them the way I adore the original. To the extent that I get more enjoyment out of new Trek that is even just tangentially connected to TOS, such as Beyond and DSC, than I do out of Voyager, to be sure.
But I kind of despair at how it is even possible for new generations to fall in love with TOS considering that television is just so utterly different today, and things we ignored as just artifacts of it being 60s series TV (the act structure being commercial-driven, the budgets, the primary colors) can stick out as faults today.
TOS is "my" Trek, and while I find much to like in TNG and the later series, especially DS9 and ENT (and now DSC), I don't return to rewatch the newer shows. For me, TOS has aged much better than TNG, and its heroes are mythology to me. I care about these characters. I enjoy novels and other extensions of TOS in ways that I have no interest in when it comes to TNG+
The TNG era shows occupy a space of Trek that was okay, but I never felt ownership of them the way I adore the original. To the extent that I get more enjoyment out of new Trek that is even just tangentially connected to TOS, such as Beyond and DSC, than I do out of Voyager, to be sure.
But I kind of despair at how it is even possible for new generations to fall in love with TOS considering that television is just so utterly different today, and things we ignored as just artifacts of it being 60s series TV (the act structure being commercial-driven, the budgets, the primary colors) can stick out as faults today.
Herbert, doesn't like the episodic conventions for women in the 1960's; a stunt to cut for a break--you know to keep the audience in suspense. Besides that, women were lawyers, officers, villains in a hefty role on Star Trek; the show was progressive, but some wishes to nitpick on things which were general practice in the 60's. Doesn't ignore the steps forward for women on Star Trek.Was there an episode where Chekov didn't scream?
I think in the Empath two scientists "died of fright" or their own fears or something. In Spock's brain the men ran in fright from the ladies.
I can recall several male screams during TOS some even coming from Kirk but admittedly usually those involved alien monsters squishing them.
Yeh but he still looked like a jerk.
Was there an episode where Chekov didn't scream?
Every single episode of the first season.
Plus The Changeling, The Doomsday Machine, The Omega Glory, Metamorphosis, Wolf in The Fold, Return To Tomorrow, Plato's Stepchildren, Wink of An Eye, The Empath, Whom gods Destroy,That Which Survives, Requiem For Methuselah, The Cloud Minders and All Our Yesterdays! 
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Chekov screamed on 6 occasions for the record. "The Deadly Years," "The Tholian Web," "The Way to Eden," TMP, TWOK, and TVH.
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