The beauty of Bones' line was that it was both McCoy and Spock answering. Spock would never say it out loud except through McCoy.
STIII - What's wrong with it?
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I thought Stiles' warning line to Kirk was sort of odd - 'Kirk, if you do this, you'll never sit in the Captain's chair again.' Kirk was an Admiral at this point, so that's hardly a compelling argument...
Well, Styles didn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed...
I still find it hard to believe that anybody really thought Spock was going to stay dead. I fully expected the next movie to be about Spock coming back before TWOK's credits were done.
Yeah, "Remember" and an intact coffin kind of gives it away.
But also remember that huge amounts of people walked out as Spock was dying in the original release. They never got to see the coffin scene.
I agree with all this. It's actually a reasonably good movie, but in service of such a contrived premise that it weakens the film as a whole. The entire film is essentially about undermining one of the most powerful moments in Khan (Spock's death, of course), and that does it no favours. The destruction of the Enterprise and David's death, as dramatic as they are, seem to have been added almost to make up for undoing Spock's death.
I will say that I admire the seriousness of the film. There are a few humorous moments, but since this film preceded The Voyage Home they didn't yet feel the need to fill every Trek film with lots of jokes and unneeded light moments. I like the fourth film, don't get me wrong, but after that movie's huge success every subsequent Trek film was filled with jokes...and not always successfully. Search for Spock, on the other hand, reminds me a little of The Motion Picture in terms of being a little more serious and less lighthearted.
Also, he probably knew Kirk, and knew that command was what Kirk wanted most.
Three words: Robin Curtis's perm.
Speak for yourself. I thought she looked good.
As to what was wrong with III, nothing. It was great just as it was.
True. And I think it's a style that should come back, todat's "styles" are no styles at all.
Not in my experience. I saw it in the theater several times and there were no walkouts. Unless you're talking about people walking out as the camera trips along through the bushes on Genesis at the tag...and some people walk out on any movie as soon as they think the main story is over.
trevanian
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Much as I dislike shaved heads as a fashion statement, they're miles ahead of perms. When I see a perm on a guy, all I think is 'Brady Boys' ... either that or Shatner Turbo 2000.And on women? Elsa Lanchester made it striking, let's just stop with that one.
The Oughts are culturally and aesthetically reprehensible in many respects, but there is an exception, and that is that women's hair has pretty much never looked better.
"The Oughts." That's the best way I've heard it called. I'm 24, does that technically make me an Ought, or am I too old already?
I wanted to try to bring fedoras back a few years ago (and not ironically, as part of formal/semiformal dress) and then all these jackasses start wearing them informally. Quite annoyed me.
I wanted to try to bring fedoras back a few years ago (and not ironically, as part of formal/semiformal dress) and then all these jackasses start wearing them informally. Quite annoyed me.
It may have all been said, but I feel obliged to help bolster this film.
The destruction of Enterprise is the single greatest moment in all of Trekdom. An awesome moment because we all came to love the Enterprise - the refit is still my favorite vessel design. An even more awesome moment because of what the ship means to Kirk. Enterprise was more important to Kirk than virtually everything else.
Stealing the ship from spacedock was the next best scene in this film. The balls displayed by Kirk and crew, to steal Enterprise solely for the possibility of recovering Spock. Kirk telling Scotty, "And... now Mr Scott," and Scotty replying, "Aye Sir, I'm working on it," - referring to opening the space doors! LOL
Don't know if this was discussed ever before, but does anyone else think that Scotty's sabotage of the Excelsior's transwarp drive directly led to the abandonment of the technology? It seems likely to me the Starfleet believed transwarp was going to work. Why else would they install untested, experimental engines on the fleet's most expensive ship? There must have been testbeds before Excelsior. I wonder exactly what Scotty did to the engines?
As much as I liked Kirstie Alley as Saavik, I think Robin Curtis was more convincing as a Vulcan. Less attractive, but more Vulcan.
I also liked, for the first time, was got to see some of the "everyday" nature of the future. McCoy in the bar, the janitor cleaning the lounge in spacedock, etc. Made it real for me.
Christopher Lloyd as Kruge. My favorite Klingon ever. The western drawl he uses when he orders his comm officer to "Put him onscreen" was funny and telling. I maintain that he viewed Kirk as something of a cowboy and speaking like that was a little aside for his crew to show his contempt.
Some small items:
The casting of Spock at different ages was excellent.
The stun effect of Kirk's phaser on Genesis was cool as was the Klingon's reaction to the blast.
Sulu and Scotty consternating over how to fly the Bird of Prey.
"Shields up, Keptin?"
That Kirk relied on Sulu to find the cloaked ship. Sadly, if Spock would have been present at that moment, Kirk would have went to his science officer for input rather than his helmsman.
The Merchantman vessel. The first 'real' civilian ship we ever saw in Trek. Nice design.
U.S.S. Grissom. Unique design and wholly appreciated by me.
"Get out! Get out of there! Get ou..." BOOM!
The death of the Klingon gunner at the hands of Kruge. Looks like that disruptor cooks you from the inside out.
"Ahhhhh, Mutara restricted! Take permits many. Money, more."
"Don't call me tiny."
"How many fingers am I holding up?"
The destruction of Enterprise is the single greatest moment in all of Trekdom. An awesome moment because we all came to love the Enterprise - the refit is still my favorite vessel design. An even more awesome moment because of what the ship means to Kirk. Enterprise was more important to Kirk than virtually everything else.
Stealing the ship from spacedock was the next best scene in this film. The balls displayed by Kirk and crew, to steal Enterprise solely for the possibility of recovering Spock. Kirk telling Scotty, "And... now Mr Scott," and Scotty replying, "Aye Sir, I'm working on it," - referring to opening the space doors! LOL
Don't know if this was discussed ever before, but does anyone else think that Scotty's sabotage of the Excelsior's transwarp drive directly led to the abandonment of the technology? It seems likely to me the Starfleet believed transwarp was going to work. Why else would they install untested, experimental engines on the fleet's most expensive ship? There must have been testbeds before Excelsior. I wonder exactly what Scotty did to the engines?
As much as I liked Kirstie Alley as Saavik, I think Robin Curtis was more convincing as a Vulcan. Less attractive, but more Vulcan.
I also liked, for the first time, was got to see some of the "everyday" nature of the future. McCoy in the bar, the janitor cleaning the lounge in spacedock, etc. Made it real for me.
Christopher Lloyd as Kruge. My favorite Klingon ever. The western drawl he uses when he orders his comm officer to "Put him onscreen" was funny and telling. I maintain that he viewed Kirk as something of a cowboy and speaking like that was a little aside for his crew to show his contempt.
Some small items:
The casting of Spock at different ages was excellent.
The stun effect of Kirk's phaser on Genesis was cool as was the Klingon's reaction to the blast.
Sulu and Scotty consternating over how to fly the Bird of Prey.
"Shields up, Keptin?"
That Kirk relied on Sulu to find the cloaked ship. Sadly, if Spock would have been present at that moment, Kirk would have went to his science officer for input rather than his helmsman.
The Merchantman vessel. The first 'real' civilian ship we ever saw in Trek. Nice design.
U.S.S. Grissom. Unique design and wholly appreciated by me.
"Get out! Get out of there! Get ou..." BOOM!
The death of the Klingon gunner at the hands of Kruge. Looks like that disruptor cooks you from the inside out.
"Ahhhhh, Mutara restricted! Take permits many. Money, more."
"Don't call me tiny."
"How many fingers am I holding up?"
This is one of my all time favorites of the movies. I can't really say much else more that hasn't already been said. One big point for me is the death of Kirk's son. It was as if his entire world was falling apart, but he managed to get through it. This also sets up the events for the Undiscovered Country quite well.
On a side note, this was the only trek film that I had to actually hunt down to find on DVD. As a single movie, I was never able to find it. I ultimately purchased it as one of the re releases of the original crew box set.
On a side note, this was the only trek film that I had to actually hunt down to find on DVD. As a single movie, I was never able to find it. I ultimately purchased it as one of the re releases of the original crew box set.
Well, which was more stylish? The 19teens or the 1920s? Or is it all fashion entropy, gramps?
