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Stigma of Mental Illness

Have you tried sleep medicine to help you sleep? It can be effective at times but the issue is always about not want to relay on it. That is kind of where I am and I know that kind of thing didn't end well for Micheal Jackson.

Jason
Yea, I am sort of a no medication person.
I've heard people do weird stuff on sme sleep medications. Plus, so far it hasn't seemed to had any overtly bad effects on me. (The lack of sleep)
I tried that melatonin for a few days a few years back and had really really really really vivid horribly terrifying nightmares.
I will NEVER touch that stuff again.
I think that sort of freaked me out against pharmaceuticals for sleeping.
I'll just take comfort in knowing that I wake up at 11:30,1:30, 3:30 then Mr. Happy Alarm Clock wakes me at 5:10.:brickwall:
 
Or you could also try music to help you sleep. I'm a big fan of Liquid Mind for this express purpose.

I use to listen to music in high school to go to sleep. Not sure why I stopped. Also I went through a phase where I use to keep the tv on but the problem though is if it's a good show or movie you start to focus on it and then it gets harder to sleep. Perhaps a nightly viewing of ST:TMP would help.:) Actually my mom I know likes to go to bed to what she calls 'pleasant' shows like Leave it to Beaver or Dennis the Menace. She says that if something scary is on she starts to feel tightness in her chest. She also can't handle anything where someone is wearing masks. Yet somehow she has gotten into both "The Walking Dead" and "American Horror Story."

Jason
 
I've seen the BEGINNING of Revenge of the Sith I-don't-know-how-many-times. I think I've seen the end like three times. :shrug:

Today, music keeps me up. Even extremely familiar music. I don't know why. :(

The combination of diabetes, drinking a LOT of fluids, and being an exceptionally heavy sleeper when I AM asleep, any sort of drugs to put me to, or keep me asleep, is not a good situation; quite embarrassing, actually. I'll say no more on the matter.
 
When the director of the World Health Organization's mental-health unit, Shekhar Saxena, was asked last year where he'd prefer to be if he were diagnosed with schizophrenia, he said for big cities he'd prefer a city in Ethiopia or Sri Lanka, like Colombo or Addis Ababa, rather than New York or London, because in the former he could expect to be seen as a productive if eccentric citizen rather than a reject and an outcast.
____________quote from interview in zine..
https://psmag.com/magazine/the-touch-of-madness-mental-health-schizophrenia
.....
__________**

I know how I look.. And how I look to others. Of the two visions, the way i see myself is by far the reality of who I am.
 
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There's a great cartoon that I'll have to try to find about what it would be like if we treated people with physical ailments the way we treat mental illness. The problem is that I'm afraid that even if you show healthy people, they'll dismiss it.

I've seen variations on that cartoon. The problem with them is that people with physical ailments actually are treated inappropriately more often than you'd think. For example, probably every cancer patient I know has been lectured by some supposedly well-intentioned person about the latest nutritional fad that cures all cancer, or told that their chemo or radiation was going to kill them, or worst, told that if they wouldn't have cancer if they had a better attitude. Seriously!

As for MI stigma, I have no words of advice. I've had to deal with it, too.

I didn't read more than the first few posts because the subject isn't very healthy for me right now, so if my response was "off", my apologies.
 
You're exactly right. Too many people believe hype over reality. As a matter of fact, the food industry counts on it. When Oatmeal or rice are labeled as Gluten-Free, when there are empirically-proven-false pills called Extenze still being sold at pharmacies, of all places...the people that are selling us our "nutrition" count on us following trends, no matter how fantastical they are.
 
In my experience the people that help the most, and understand the most, are people who have been through it themselves. A good friend can help, absolutely. But in case they've been through depression themselves, sooner or later they are likely to get frustrated with you and say "Snap OUT of it! This is why you're miserable! It's no one's fault but your own! Only you can help yourself!"

And I hate that last line. "Only you can help yourself." It's one of those little things that sounds like sage life wisdom, but it's not fully true. Partially true, yes. Fully true? Hell no. But it proliferates everywhere and it has become the accepted "truism" that helps perpetuate the stigma against mental illness. You can't date if you're depressed, because your depression destroys all positive vibes, and makes your partner suffer. Why should you make your partner suffer? Stay single until you are a complete, content person with good qualities that enrich your partner's life! Don't be the downer in your group of friends! No one likes a downer. Your depression destroys everyone around you....friends, partners, co-workers...you're like a nuclear reactor and your depression is radiation leaking out of you. Do you want to be that way? No! So fix yourself, become a person you can be proud of before you engage socially!

I hate reading and hearing stuff like this. I'm not a nuclear reactor. I'm a person and depression is real and it is complicated, and some might disagree on this, but I think modern "lifestyle blogs" have done more harm than good in perpetuating the stigma. In my opinion, anyway. If I get another "Don't be THIS type of person" or "Seven types of toxic friends" or "10 signs that your partner is destroying your positive energy" article in my Google recommendations or homepage.....

But everyone's experience is different. The things that "help" are different for everyone. For myself, I was on medication for awhile, from like 2009-2012, but I didn't see it helping. What helped the most for me was the feeling of doing things, of being included, of being out in the world. But in 2014 I was struck down with illness (on top of being physically disabled) and, long story short, I will likely never be able to work in an office environment ever again. I work from home now, most of my friends are away....so my socialization suffers because I'm isolated, and socialization used to be the thing that helped the most.

Luckily we live in the age of the internet where we can reach out and have friends far and wide. I'm lucky I have friends that understand my situation. But there are always those few that love to link me to Youtube videos of quadriplegics that travel the world, and they go "See! These people don't let anything stop them!" I'm not a quadriplegic but my situation is complicated. World travel isn't possible for me for a number of reasons (money being one of them, physical pain being another). And when I try to explain this, they go "You're just making excuses and this is why you're always depressed. Only you can help yourself." (there's that line again)

They don't understand that those videos do NOT help me, nor do they "inspire" me. You know what does inspire me? When some calls me up and says "Help me with something. I can't find X or Y. I can't figure this out. What would you do? Do you want to hang out?" Feeling like I can contribute just feels great.

Helping myself involves constant reminders of what I have, how it could be worse (one of the few things from counseling that actually helped). Meditation helps a lot too. Doing anything, even if it's just going to the store or out of the house for a few hours. When I do engage socially, I'm constantly reminded of how my social skills have eroded, and I'm tired of being evasive with people about why I'm "a certain age" and don't have a masters degree or haven't done X or Y. But when I start to feel depressive thoughts creep up, I force myself to think "I'm actually out of the house, I'm actually around people and experiencing things, so just relax. Everyone here has their own issues. Everyone."

When I do tell people about my own issues, I'm as honest as possible. "I take it day by day. Some days are bad, some are good. Some are dark, some aren't. But I'm trying. I haven't given up." And that's honest. How the person takes it, I have no control over. I'm sure some will think "Okay, he will definitely destroy my happy vibes. Steer clear." Others will say "Tell me more."

Finding people that understand that depression may be a facet of who you are but doesn't DEFINE you is the key. Society as a whole will always perpetuate the stigma. Individuals have the ability to understand you. Find those individuals however you can.

God I rambled here. Didn't mean to.
 
I suffer from depression, suicidal thoughts, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder from things that happened to me as a child, and gods knows what else. To all of you who suffer from a mental illness, I support you, I'm here for you, and I love you. *hugs*
 
In my experience the people that help the most, and understand the most, are people who have been through it themselves. A good friend can help, absolutely. But in case they've been through depression themselves, sooner or later they are likely to get frustrated with you and say "Snap OUT of it! This is why you're miserable! It's no one's fault but your own! Only you can help yourself!"

And I hate that last line. "Only you can help yourself." It's one of those little things that sounds like sage life wisdom, but it's not fully true. Partially true, yes. Fully true? Hell no. But it proliferates everywhere and it has become the accepted "truism" that helps perpetuate the stigma against mental illness. You can't date if you're depressed, because your depression destroys all positive vibes, and makes your partner suffer. Why should you make your partner suffer? Stay single until you are a complete, content person with good qualities that enrich your partner's life! Don't be the downer in your group of friends! No one likes a downer. Your depression destroys everyone around you....friends, partners, co-workers...you're like a nuclear reactor and your depression is radiation leaking out of you. Do you want to be that way? No! So fix yourself, become a person you can be proud of before you engage socially!

I hate reading and hearing stuff like this. I'm not a nuclear reactor. I'm a person and depression is real and it is complicated, and some might disagree on this, but I think modern "lifestyle blogs" have done more harm than good in perpetuating the stigma. In my opinion, anyway. If I get another "Don't be THIS type of person" or "Seven types of toxic friends" or "10 signs that your partner is destroying your positive energy" article in my Google recommendations or homepage.....

But everyone's experience is different. The things that "help" are different for everyone. For myself, I was on medication for awhile, from like 2009-2012, but I didn't see it helping. What helped the most for me was the feeling of doing things, of being included, of being out in the world. But in 2014 I was struck down with illness (on top of being physically disabled) and, long story short, I will likely never be able to work in an office environment ever again. I work from home now, most of my friends are away....so my socialization suffers because I'm isolated, and socialization used to be the thing that helped the most.

Luckily we live in the age of the internet where we can reach out and have friends far and wide. I'm lucky I have friends that understand my situation. But there are always those few that love to link me to Youtube videos of quadriplegics that travel the world, and they go "See! These people don't let anything stop them!" I'm not a quadriplegic but my situation is complicated. World travel isn't possible for me for a number of reasons (money being one of them, physical pain being another). And when I try to explain this, they go "You're just making excuses and this is why you're always depressed. Only you can help yourself." (there's that line again)

They don't understand that those videos do NOT help me, nor do they "inspire" me. You know what does inspire me? When some calls me up and says "Help me with something. I can't find X or Y. I can't figure this out. What would you do? Do you want to hang out?" Feeling like I can contribute just feels great.

Helping myself involves constant reminders of what I have, how it could be worse (one of the few things from counseling that actually helped). Meditation helps a lot too. Doing anything, even if it's just going to the store or out of the house for a few hours. When I do engage socially, I'm constantly reminded of how my social skills have eroded, and I'm tired of being evasive with people about why I'm "a certain age" and don't have a masters degree or haven't done X or Y. But when I start to feel depressive thoughts creep up, I force myself to think "I'm actually out of the house, I'm actually around people and experiencing things, so just relax. Everyone here has their own issues. Everyone."

When I do tell people about my own issues, I'm as honest as possible. "I take it day by day. Some days are bad, some are good. Some are dark, some aren't. But I'm trying. I haven't given up." And that's honest. How the person takes it, I have no control over. I'm sure some will think "Okay, he will definitely destroy my happy vibes. Steer clear." Others will say "Tell me more."

Finding people that understand that depression may be a facet of who you are but doesn't DEFINE you is the key. Society as a whole will always perpetuate the stigma. Individuals have the ability to understand you. Find those individuals however you can.

God I rambled here. Didn't mean to.
You sound like a pretty cool person to me.
And unlike a lot if people, at least you realize that you're not perfect.
I'm an annoying, stuck up, snooty, A-hole.
I've been working on that part of my life for years. I'm severely deaf and in fact going today to see if I have cancer again.

Like you, I just try to take things one day at a time.
 
You sound like a pretty cool person to me.
And unlike a lot if people, at least you realize that you're not perfect.
I'm an annoying, stuck up, snooty, A-hole.
I've been working on that part of my life for years. I'm severely deaf and in fact going today to see if I have cancer again.

Like you, I just try to take things one day at a time.
I like your avatar :)
 
I suffer from depression, suicidal thoughts, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder from things that happened to me as a child, and gods knows what else. To all of you who suffer from a mental illness, I support you, I'm here for you, and I love you. *hugs*

Love you too,..

On November 19, 2016 I posted this,..on Facebook

I have always been alone... --- sometimes lonely sometimes in solitude... but always alone. it is what is - so what - this is life for me this is the hand of cards I have in my hand the memories the feelings I get --- the loneliness of life - as it is... I have eaten LSD so so so many times all alone by myself no one around just out on the edge of nothing... --- there is no value to anything really... I could change my name my face would not matter. I could --- go away --- after a bit it would not matter.. at all... why would it?

Why does anything matter - what qualities are there to value? My hand is open and empty there is nothing in the box... I am Going now.... -- gone. gone gone.

I had replies from lots of people on Facebook..

This year I posted a response to this post on Facebook..=>

A year later and this was the last time it was this way. I don't get like that that I know of this time a year ago was ... The final time like being negative and if you read this it used to be 3-5 times a week with all night idealization so this is a year with out opening the suicide note-book. And longer since i wrote in it... These feelings lasted from 12 years old to 52 about. In the end before they stopped I. I thought "that much time like this I might as well off myself" I am glad I didn't. I don't know why..I have gladness and a deep sense of satisfaction from just being positive about being positive... I love you all..

——————————

I don’t suffer anymore and I feel well and happy,..

I did suffer. But I have moved on,..
I hear voices,.. and have hallucinations regularly
This isn’t suffering ,,, suffering is thinking that it’s suffering,.

The change is making changes when this happens,.
 
Simply changing one's mood is not possible for many people and I would never fault someone for long-term severe depression. I've "changed my attitude" many, many times and as soon as I stop taking my medically-necessary medications, I go right back to my former self.

I truly hope that's not what you're suggesting, @think; that people only need to change their attitude.

I don't know how LDS (hehe) affects the depressed mind, but I sure wouldn't mind getting in on a psilocybin study. My brother-in-law swears by the stuff (as well as overwhelming clinical and anecdotal evidence).

I'm pretty positive that I will need to get back on my meds, soon. I'm riding a high at the moment, but I cannot and will not guarantee that it will last.

My main focus right now is getting back on HRT.
 
Mostly this is
Simply changing one's mood is not possible for many people and I would never fault someone for long-term severe depression. I've "changed my attitude" many, many times and as soon as I stop taking my medically-necessary medications, I go right back to my former self.

I truly hope that's not what you're suggesting, @think; that people only need to change their attitude.

I don't know how LDS (hehe) affects the depressed mind, but I sure wouldn't mind getting in on a psilocybin study. My brother-in-law swears by the stuff (as well as overwhelming clinical and anecdotal evidence).

I'm pretty positive that I will need to get back on my meds, soon. I'm riding a high at the moment, but I cannot and will not guarantee that it will last.

My main focus right now is getting back on HRT.

again with the ideas that get suggested by my posts hehe... NO changing an attitude was the final tool that assisted in my major depression / schizo-effectiver / ptsd / and other types of ocd --- subsiding... I too did a medication holiday -- what it was called when I did it ... in full consent with the psychiatrist in 1995 fyi the last time and only time I will let a psychiatrist think that I need not take meds... in 1995 I reached a level of a random 3 hours of sleep every 2-3 days and became non-functional, as well, to the point where the only way to get back on meds was a 2 month hospital say... ;(

of course in 1995 at 6 months med free --- i was out there needing meds but denied them by 8 months I was in the hospital again as I could not function "normally" at all..

the ptsd was of course childhood tramua that was recognized and treated as best possible treatments were the WRAP (Wellness Recovery Action Plan) in parallel treatment with cbt and dbt ...

the main focus was to get the "feelings" out (what I see looking back) remember some of what I choose as a child to not remember.,, and be ok with it. :)

HRT is important - But as guy I know nothing really useful about that. _--_
 
Thank you. I probably misread your original post, but I've heard so many people say that we (people with depression) simply need to change our outlook on life and that meds are actually harming us (in my case, this was sort of true...I was better off before taking one of my meds and after being on it for many years I became dependent on it, a med that was not actually necessary in the beginning (it was to help with ruminations but after so many years I went full-on psycho when I didn't have it).

I've recently been informed that my lack of HRT is probably what's been contributing to my lack of concentration and being able to complete tasks (especially 3d modeling, and I've had this fricken 3d printer here for a couple of months and have not even been able to bring myself to clear a spot for it, much less print anything with it).

I have FAR TOO MANY promised projects on my plate that are not getting done. I'm suffering from "I'm gonna" syndrome.
 
Thank you. I probably misread your original post, but I've heard so many people say that we (people with depression) simply need to change our outlook on life and that meds are actually harming us (in my case, this was sort of true...I was better off before taking one of my meds and after being on it for many years I became dependent on it, a med that was not actually necessary in the beginning (it was to help with ruminations but after so many years I went full-on psycho when I didn't have it).

I've recently been informed that my lack of HRT is probably what's been contributing to my lack of concentration and being able to complete tasks (especially 3d modeling, and I've had this fricken 3d printer here for a couple of months and have not even been able to bring myself to clear a spot for it, much less print anything with it).

I have FAR TOO MANY promised projects on my plate that are not getting done. I'm suffering from "I'm gonna" syndrome.

I think s lot of us have that syndrome.
I almost always have 3-4 different paintings going on.
Also, the dust bunnies under my bed, I think they are dust Buffaloes....:lol:
 
I have read this thread with some interest, since I too have a mental illness (major depression with psychotic features, dependent personality disorder). I live in a supportive apartment complex for the mentally ill, and I attend psychiatric rehabilitation classes 4 days a week (Tuesdays off). I take quite a bit of medicine (Abilify. Lexapro, Buspar, plus sleeping medicine), which keeps me from crying all the time, as I would do if I did not take meds. I have been in one mental health system or another since I was in my teens back in the 1970s. It is hard for me to explain to outsiders where I live and what I do all day because of the stigma attached to being mentally ill. I think the medicine has affected some of my mental creativity and possibly my short-term memory, but other than that I am happy with it. I have been living here for 10 years, which is much longer than the "usual" stay of 3-4 years. It would be very difficult to have to move to an apartment in the community, which is supposed to be my ultimate goal. I have been suicidal in the past, especially when I was in college and, years later, when my mother had a devastating stroke and had to go live in a nursing home. At the time I found a web site called suicidal.com to be helpful. I know how hard it can be to find help for a mental illness--it takes a combination of the right meds and the right treatment program.
 
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