STID realistic?

[SeerSGB]

Well if you're looking for realism, science fiction probably isn't your best bet. As technology gets better things have a tendency to get smaller, not larger.

They are not fucking huge, they are ridiculous.

But hey, let's face it, it is now "canon", so ST is now ridiculous, and you liked it, you embraced it , it is over and done for ST.

Prime Universe Star Trek had ships that dwarf anything in STID. When Archer goes to the future, he's aboard the Enterprise J - probably the biggest Enterprise and maybe biggest Federation ship ever seen. Thing is two miles long!

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Enterprise_J

The Neghvar Scimitar or a TNG era Warbird are both bigger than the Nu-Enterprise. Calling foul on large ships in Nu-Trek is just picking something to bitch about.

 

[Kemaiku]

The Federation has often been shown to have the smallest ships. Finally they're about even to all the other races, people are crying foul, really?

 

[Harbinger]

Well if you're looking for realism, science fiction probably isn't your best bet. As technology gets better things have a tendency to get smaller, not larger.

They are not fucking huge, they are ridiculous.

But hey, let's face it, it is now "canon", so ST is now ridiculous, and you liked it, you embraced it , it is over and done for ST.

Prime Universe Star Trek had ships that dwarf anything in STID. When Archer goes to the future, he's aboard the Enterprise J - probably the biggest Enterprise and maybe biggest Federation ship ever seen. Thing is two miles long!

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Enterprise_J

The Neghvar Scimitar or a TNG era Warbird are both bigger than the Nu-Enterprise. Calling foul on large ships in Nu-Trek is just picking something to bitch about.

I was referring to Federation or Enterprise ships specifically, but yeah there's some crazy big things out there not even thinking about something like V'Ger alone. In fact, Abrams Trek is pretty sane and tame in that crazy kind of god-like beings/space magic/enormous ships department.

 

[SeerSGB]

Prime Universe Star Trek had ships that dwarf anything in STID. When Archer goes to the future, he's aboard the Enterprise J - probably the biggest Enterprise and maybe biggest Federation ship ever seen. Thing is two miles long!

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Enterprise_J

The Neghvar Scimitar or a TNG era Warbird are both bigger than the Nu-Enterprise. Calling foul on large ships in Nu-Trek is just picking something to bitch about.

I was referring to Federation or Enterprise ships specifically, but yeah there's some crazy big things out there not even thinking about something like V'Ger alone. In fact, Abrams Trek is pretty sane and tame in that crazy kind of god-like beings/space magic/enormous ships department.

You want over the top Federation, you need go no further than the mushroom spacedock. Hell the Galaxy Class isn't much smaller (~100 meters shorter) than the Nu-Enterprise.

Edit: For shits and giggles, I looked up the specs for the Odyessy Class--the class of the Enterprise-F in Star Trek Online.

Length: ~1000+ meters

...The advanced quantum slipstream drive propels the Odyssey-class to its fastest speed, transwarp 34.71+

It's the MMO, sure. But come on. Big ships are pretty damn common in Trek Lore. Some of the concept art for the refit of the 1701 back when they were working on "Planet Of The Titans" turned the ship into a stardestroyer in look and size.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I hated it when the changed the lyrics of "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall" to "Their Shields Are Down to XX Percent."

Shields are down to seventy percent! Shields are down to seventy...
Incoming fire! Brace for impact! Shields are down to sixty percent!
Shields are down to sixty percent! Shields are down to sixty...
Divert auxiliary power to shields! Shields are down to fifty percent!
Shields are down to fifty percent! Shields are down to fifty...
Try remodulating the emitter arrays! Shields are down to forty percent!
Shields are down to forty percent! Shields are down to forty...
Recalibrate shield nutations! Shields are down to thirty percent!
Shields are down to thirty percent! Shields are down to thirty...
Try to match polarity with their weapon's phase modulation signature! Shields are down to twenty percent!
Shields are down to twenty percent! Shields are down to twenty...
Reconfigure the main deflector to emit a tachyon pulse that should force their emitter crystals to reverse polarity! Shields are down to ten percent!
Shields are down to ten percent! Shields are down to ten...
Hail them, tell them we mean them no harm... Shields are down to one percent!
Shields are down to one percent! Shields are down to one...
Let's reconfigure the tractor beam emitters to generate a coherent graviton pu--BOOOOOOMMMMM!!!
Shields are down to zero percent.

Love it!

Ahhhhh, Modern Trek...

I think we need a new name for it. They haven't made "modern Trek" for 8 years, and there's been a new Trek in town for the last 4.

Also: Excellent song

 

[BillJ]

I think we need a new name for it. They haven't made "modern Trek" for 8 years, and there's been a new Trek in town for the last 4.

We'll just call the new stuff "Post-Modern Trek".

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I was referring to Federation or Enterprise ships specifically...

And here I thought I was the only one who realized that Vulcan's Seleya class starship is over six hundred meters long.

You want over the top Federation, you need go no further than the mushroom spacedock. Hell the Galaxy Class isn't much smaller (~100 meters shorter) than the Nu-Enterprise.

But length isn't size. As I've pointed out many times in many threads, the Galaxy class is still about 60% larger BY VOLUME tan the NuEnterprise and uses its internal space a lot more efficiently; the Galaxy's small nacelles are a relatively small portion of that volume and don't contribute to the length at all, and its engineering spaces are a lot more compact. Compare with NuEnterprise, of which 200 meters of its length is just the extension of the nacelles and the entire secondary hull is entirely filled with shuttlebays, cargo bays, torpedo magazines and engine machinery.

The Galaxy class isn't just BIGGER, it has two to three times the habitable volume in addition to having better technology to make that volume more useful.

 

[Kemaiku]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

 

[BillJ]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

The Galaxy doesn't count. The only Prime universe ships that count are the ones smaller than the Abramsverse Enterprise.

 

[Kemaiku]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

The Galaxy doesn't count. The only Prime universe ships that count are the ones smaller than the Abramsverse Enterprise.

I love how the Power Wall (ugh, that name) actually shows the Enterprise has a tiny sister ship of nearly identical design at the 300m size and still they all bitch.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

Show me a room on the Enterprise-D anywhere near as big as Hanger 7 on the Vengeance.

 

[Ovation]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

Show me a room on the Enterprise-D anywhere near as big as Hanger 7 on the Vengeance.

In volume or length? What about Stellar Cartography (never to be seen again)?

 

[Kemaiku]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

Show me a room on the Enterprise-D anywhere near as big as Hanger 7 on the Vengeance.

The Big-D's main shuttle bay in the saucer can hold 30 shuttlecraft with room to move around, including 2 Runabouts.

Then there's the Sea Ops, or whatever it's called, two massive tanks each holding a Killer Whale with plenty of room for it to swim.

That's two.

 

[Gecko of Gorn]

In the 1980's, they were huge.
In the 1990's, they started to get smaller and more "organic" looking.
Then, in the 2000's and onwards they started getting bigger again....

We are talking about cellphones, right?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

Show me a room on the Enterprise-D anywhere near as big as Hanger 7 on the Vengeance.

The main shuttlebay would count if we ever SAW it.

 

[Opus]

So I'm not sure I understand - Why are people complaining again that Trek's ships are too big or too small? Considering other Sci-Fi franchises, Trek's ships are downright puny.

 

[Commishsleer]

I'm wondering whether the Vengeance is also doubling as a troop/weapon/ship carrier. Its supposed to be an 'experimental' ship so maybe with this one secret opportunity that Marcus has he's going to do everything at once.

Or maybe to pack the weaponry the Vengeance has the ship has to be physically large. Since it can be manned by just a few people the size isn't necessarily to house crew.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

Show me a room on the Enterprise-D anywhere near as big as Hanger 7 on the Vengeance.

In volume or length? What about Stellar Cartography (never to be seen again)?

I think that wasn't so big. 3 stories tall but

Given how thin many parts of the Vengeance are, I'm willing to bet the Galaxy class is beefier in sheer bulk than her too. So the Galaxy still claims the title of biggest Federation starship.

Show me a room on the Enterprise-D anywhere near as big as Hanger 7 on the Vengeance.

The Big-D's main shuttle bay in the saucer can hold 30 shuttlecraft with room to move around, including 2 Runabouts.

Then there's the Sea Ops, or whatever it's called, two massive tanks each holding a Killer Whale with plenty of room for it to swim.

That's two.

The main shuttlebay is certainly close, although from this picture is looks to be at least a story shorter than the Vengeance's hanger. And Vengeance's hanger was guy one of many!

Personally I'm not so sure Sea Ops is more than a brain-fart by the writers of the TNG Tech Manual. Was it ever shown or even mentioned on-screen?

 

[BillJ]

Personally I'm not so sure Sea Ops is more than a brain-fart by the writers of the TNG Tech Manual. Was it ever shown or even mentioned on-screen?

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned at least once during the TNG run.

From Memory Alpha:

In an alternate timeline created when the USS Enterprise-C disappeared from the Battle of Narendra III, Cetacean Ops was a department aboard the warship USS Enterprise-D. Shortly after the Enterprise-C emerged from the temporal rift, Joshua Kim was paged to Cetacean Ops. (TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise")

Dolphins were present aboard the Enterprise-D in some capacity. In 2368, Geordi La Forge took the Ferengi Par Lenor to see the dolphins in order to keep him from disturbing Kriosian Ambassador Briam. (TNG: "The Perfect Mate") The dolphins may have been in the aquatics lab. (TNG: "Genesis")

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cetacean

 

[F. King Daniel]

Huh. I wonder if they keep Humpbacks on board, just in case...