Funny, I saw it the other way around. I enjoyed the first three a heckuva lot but the fourth and fifth did nothing for me.
Steven King slams Twilight
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Fair enough. But whether you're giving her credit or blame, either way it should all go to Rowling.
Fair enough. But whether you're giving her credit or blame, either way it should all go to Rowling.
If she was a fake I have a feeling that Stephen King would at least know.
Fair enough. But whether you're giving her credit or blame, either way it should all go to Rowling.
That's up to the individual.
She very well may be a fake.
The fact is we don't know.
We all see things how we choose.
Fair enough. But whether you're giving her credit or blame, either way it should all go to Rowling.
That's up to the individual.
She very well may be a fake.
The fact is we don't know.
We all see things how we choose.
No...
You're pretty much just making stuff up if you're going to say she didn't write the stuff. There's certainly no evidence that she used a ghostwriter.
Actually, this has improved my opinion of King.
Me too.
Let's face it, the New York Times bestseller list ain't great lit-cha.
There are competent pop-fiction writers like King and then there are...others.
Well, to be fair I didn't come up with it originally, I honestly can't remember where I picked it up. They've been saying Shakespeare didn't write his body of works for years. And if they can say it about Shakespeare, whose to say her books weren't written by committee? I obviously don't have proof or anything so I apologize for airing it.
Steven King really shouldn't slam other authors. I have never read Twilight, but I have read King. While his books are generally good once they get going, Steven King could remove the first 150-200pp of any of his novels without losing ANY plot.
Just off the top of my head:
Tommyknockers--the first 200 pages is all about the protagonist's drunken benders
Salems Lot--establishes the hell out of the main character coming to town, not being comfortable there, and talking to the locals.
It--entire scenes dedicated to lighting farts with matches
I can't remember the title, but his "doomsday" book had full discussions about the pimply-faced antagonist's bed farts (notice a trend?!?) and a midpoint in the book which dedicated about 150 pages to each faction getting to their respective "good" and "bad" survival colonies.
Just off the top of my head:
Tommyknockers--the first 200 pages is all about the protagonist's drunken benders
Salems Lot--establishes the hell out of the main character coming to town, not being comfortable there, and talking to the locals.
It--entire scenes dedicated to lighting farts with matches
I can't remember the title, but his "doomsday" book had full discussions about the pimply-faced antagonist's bed farts (notice a trend?!?) and a midpoint in the book which dedicated about 150 pages to each faction getting to their respective "good" and "bad" survival colonies.
If you want a Stephen King "trend," count up the number of times a character is killed by having something stabbed through an eye. This even made it into the X-Files episode King wrote.
No, I haven't read much by King in the last several years; mostly just a couple of stories from Everything's Eventual. I just found it harder and harder to get through his stuff.
lit-cha.
Stop that. Stop that right now.
Well, that's also a load of crap, so there you go.
He was asked.
Why do people keep insinuating he took out a bloody page in the Bangor Daily News to share this information? The entire interview exchange probably took him 30 seconds!
This guy has sold more books than Jesus and has literally faced his own death in the past few years. He's a 60 year old man who is entitled to speak his opinion when asked. And if he really hated her books enough to embolden his words, he could have been much more scathing than simply criticizing her technical adeptness. He clearly understands the type of audience she's going for and he's totally right in his assessment: it's a book for girls to read and swoon over. He's got some stinkers, but you could use some of his books as templates for a university writing course. Oh wait, they already do.
But that's what King does. He delves into the background of the characters, what is happening in the character's mind at the time, and also setting up with some foreshadowing. Hell, I'll admit that I've read 10 pages of a King novel and been lost, having to re-read it and figure it out, but those are deep details he covers.
Anyone who has seen Star Trek VI knows that Shakespeare plagirised the work of Klingons.
What?
The Harry Potter Series rules, and I don't really care who wrote it. Stephen King has never really impressed me, but I did enjoy The Langoliers, and had a blast playing MST3K with the rest of the audience in the theatre where I saw The Sleepwalkers. 
I haven't read any of Meyer's books, but I did go to see the movie with my 11 year old daughter, and overall, I enjoyed it, and didn't really see it as any more derivitive of Buffy (which I love) than Buffy is derivitive of Bram Stoker's Dracula - vampires are going to be similar in some ways, or they aren't vampires. But, I can see King's point about her not being a good author if the film is consistent with the book, because:
I haven't read any of Meyer's books, but I did go to see the movie with my 11 year old daughter, and overall, I enjoyed it, and didn't really see it as any more derivitive of Buffy (which I love) than Buffy is derivitive of Bram Stoker's Dracula - vampires are going to be similar in some ways, or they aren't vampires. But, I can see King's point about her not being a good author if the film is consistent with the book, because:Okay, let me get this straight. There are vampires. They have all the usual advantages of being vampires, and they each get their own little "personality" power, too. Sunlight doesn't hurt them, it just makes 'em sparkle all pretty. Crosses and garlic don't bother them. They can survive without feeding on humans, but every once in a while being near a particular human will give them a strong, uncomfortable craving....
SO WHY IN THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY JUST CONVERT ALL OF HUMANITY INTO VAMPIRES???!!! With the lack of other downsides, it just really, REALLY, seems like the logical thing to do. Why all the drama? Does Bella want to be a vampire? Should Edward convert her? DUH! Yes! Convert EVERYONE! How much more of a no-brainer could the answer really be?!
Alright, that was my rant. As long as we're in the spoiler block, I'll mention that my favorite part of the movie was the vampire baseball. They could have made the whole movie just vampires playing baseball, and I'd have probably gone back to see it more than once.
And a side note about that scene: They let Bella be umpire. Now, admittedly, the catcher has vampire reflexes and was unlikely to let a ball get past her. But if anyone could get a ball past her, if would have been that pitcher - since she was also a vampire. Had that happened, with the speed and strength a vampire can pitch at, Bella would have died explosively. Just sayin'.
SO WHY IN THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY JUST CONVERT ALL OF HUMANITY INTO VAMPIRES???!!! With the lack of other downsides, it just really, REALLY, seems like the logical thing to do. Why all the drama? Does Bella want to be a vampire? Should Edward convert her? DUH! Yes! Convert EVERYONE! How much more of a no-brainer could the answer really be?!
Alright, that was my rant. As long as we're in the spoiler block, I'll mention that my favorite part of the movie was the vampire baseball. They could have made the whole movie just vampires playing baseball, and I'd have probably gone back to see it more than once.
And a side note about that scene: They let Bella be umpire. Now, admittedly, the catcher has vampire reflexes and was unlikely to let a ball get past her. But if anyone could get a ball past her, if would have been that pitcher - since she was also a vampire. Had that happened, with the speed and strength a vampire can pitch at, Bella would have died explosively. Just sayin'.
Way back in the 1970s King was similarly eviscerated as "not much of a writer" - critics would cite prose like "the desert stood under the sun" as examples of what a tin ear he supposedly had. And never mind what a lot of professionals made of the Orson Scott Card stuff that Analog was publishing.
Either these people get a lot better or they're just - as King alludes - such good storytellers that their millions of fans overlook the inelegant kludginess of their prose. In either event, readers know what they like and where bestselling status is concerned that's what matters.
Either these people get a lot better or they're just - as King alludes - such good storytellers that their millions of fans overlook the inelegant kludginess of their prose. In either event, readers know what they like and where bestselling status is concerned that's what matters.
The Harry Potter Series rules, and I don't really care who wrote it. Stephen King has never really impressed me, but I did enjoy The Langoliers, and had a blast playing MST3K with the rest of the audience in the theatre where I saw The Sleepwalkers.
Okay, let me get this straight. There are vampires. They have all the usual advantages of being vampires, and they each get their own little "personality" power, too. Sunlight doesn't hurt them, it just makes 'em sparkle all pretty. Crosses and garlic don't bother them. They can survive without feeding on humans, but every once in a while being near a particular human will give them a strong, uncomfortable craving....
SO WHY IN THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY JUST CONVERT ALL OF HUMANITY INTO VAMPIRES???!!! With the lack of other downsides, it just really, REALLY, seems like the logical thing to do. Why all the drama? Does Bella want to be a vampire? Should Edward convert her? DUH! Yes! Convert EVERYONE! How much more of a no-brainer could the answer really be?!
Alright, that was my rant. As long as we're in the spoiler block, I'll mention that my favorite part of the movie was the vampire baseball. They could have made the whole movie just vampires playing baseball, and I'd have probably gone back to see it more than once.
And a side note about that scene: They let Bella be umpire. Now, admittedly, the catcher has vampire reflexes and was unlikely to let a ball get past her. But if anyone could get a ball past her, if would have been that pitcher - since she was also a vampire. Had that happened, with the speed and strength a vampire can pitch at, Bella would have died explosively. Just sayin'.
Spoilers for the second book New Moon about your first comment.
There is a reason why there is no Vampire overpopulation in the series. In the Twilight series Vampires revealing themselves to the public is considered a crime. There is a ruling group of Vampires living in Italy that makes sure the public doesn't know about the existence of Vampires. Any Vampire that breaks the rules are killed without exception so that keeps the Vampire population in check. Someone going around and turning everyone into Vampires would run into that problem. Bella herself gets into big trouble with them in the second book just for knowing that Vampires exist. It's also extremely hard for a Vampire to not outright kill a victim before they are changed because of their bloodlust so it's very uncommon to get new Vampires.
About your second comment. I don't think this requires spoilers so I'll just reply. Bella was never the umpire in the baseball scene in the books probably for that reason that mentioned. They changed it for some strange reason for the movie. However it's not too unbelievable since the book and movie tells you that the Vampires in the series are extremely quick and they don't miss. I thought that was a cool scene expecially with the music that was playing during it.
At work, my team consists of me and four women. Coincidentally, today they were talking about how much they love Twilight; and they're not kids, either-- a couple are close to my age.
I'm as big a Koontz fan as a King fan, but Koontz has gone downhill a bit since the heady days of the 90s - The Taking especially was one I'd have thrown across the room if I hadn't been reading it on a crowded train...
But then, I loved Insomnia and can't be arsed with the Dark Tower stuff, so what do I know?