Stepping into the TARDIS: Series 1
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That was a holdover from the end of the previous ep. wasn't it? I thought was for our benefit, that is to say the audience's benefit so that Susan could walk away from it and people could still understand what it meant.
It's really not that confusing, when Terry Nation thought up Davros he kind of retconned the beginning of the Daleks and they were changed ever since.
I have a late 1980s book (called "The Official Doctor Who and the Daleks Book") written by Terry Nation, which actually has s single, rather extensive history including everything up to and including "Revelation of the Daleks". that bounces back and forth around history, culminating with the second Doctor story "Evil of the Daleks" which was stupposed to conclusively kill 'em all, right after the Daleks take care of Daros and his not-yet-Imperial faction.
I actually tend to prefer this notion, which works better with the notion that at some point the Daleks would become powerful enough to threaten the Time Lords themselves. The events of "Genesis" work only as a delay rather than an outright re-write of Dalek history, one of the many wibbley-wobbley things. Around the time of "resurrection", Dalek time travel tech had advnaced to the point that the Daleks as a race would be taken out of time and act for whatever reason in the same time continuum as the Time Lords - that is, that Daleks and Gallifreyans would interact along the same time stream, and from that point forward the Doctor would always run into them AFTER the last time he had done so.
Mark
I actually tend to prefer this notion, which works better with the notion that at some point the Daleks would become powerful enough to threaten the Time Lords themselves. The events of "Genesis" work only as a delay rather than an outright re-write of Dalek history, one of the many wibbley-wobbley things. Around the time of "resurrection", Dalek time travel tech had advnaced to the point that the Daleks as a race would be taken out of time and act for whatever reason in the same time continuum as the Time Lords - that is, that Daleks and Gallifreyans would interact along the same time stream, and from that point forward the Doctor would always run into them AFTER the last time he had done so.
Mark
Actually written by John Peel and approved by Terry Nation, which is a slightly different thing. And because he stuck with that version after Remembrance of the Daleks caused a fairly major problem with it we got the two Paul McGann Dalek books, which are... not the best ever published.
It is an interesting one though, as it does seem clear that Terry Nation was keen to keep Evil as the final Dalek story - even though he didn't write it himself.
1 x 06 "The Long Game" and 1 x 07 "Father's Day"
Those are the two episodes I watched this evening. Interestingly, both stories have been done and redone time and time again. That doesn't mean that they can't still be done well, however.
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"The Long Game" was maybe my least favorite of the series to date. It never really grabbed me, though it was amusing to see Adam getting his implant.
He was rather annoying, in part because... where in the world did he come from? He seemed so different from the Adam in "Dalek", but that may just be me.
Side notes:
- noticed "BadwolfTV"
. How many folks can honestly say when they watched this series the very first time picked up on the "Bad Wolf" recurring arc?
- Nice to see "Scotty", or rather Scotty 2.0 in the from of the Editor!
It wasn't a bad episode, not by any stretch. I just didn't feel as entertained or moved as I had in earlier episodes.
"Father's Day" is a superb example of taking a well-worn plot and executing it beautifully! The whole idea of time travel and the consequences therein has been done so many times in such a variety of shows and films. But this brought it right down to the human level in a most personal way. In that respect, it evokes Star Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever. Of course the difference here is that the central figure willingly commits the change in time. I like the way that the Doctor really took it to Rose but didn't go overboard with criticizing her for it. He honestly does care about her. He knows that she's only 19 yrs old and impulsive to an extent.. and he can identify with her regret and longing. Paul Cornell is quite possibly going to be a guest at Marcon this year, so I may get a chance to talk to him about this episode.
Strangely, I find myself having trouble talking about this episode though. It was deeply and personally moving. It's not that I am harboring deep secrets. No, it's more that it's just hard to express how you can sometimes see yourself onscreen... even though you know you're not that much like a character. I have my days when I feel rather useless the way Rose's father seemed to. His regrets aren't really mine, because I have been there for my daughter. And my sons. Maybe the power in this episode comes from getting a little reassurance that the time I've had with my kids has been time well-spent, and that I've done alright by them. Who nows?
Those are the two episodes I watched this evening. Interestingly, both stories have been done and redone time and time again. That doesn't mean that they can't still be done well, however.
-
"The Long Game" was maybe my least favorite of the series to date. It never really grabbed me, though it was amusing to see Adam getting his implant.
He was rather annoying, in part because... where in the world did he come from? He seemed so different from the Adam in "Dalek", but that may just be me. Side notes:
- noticed "BadwolfTV"
. How many folks can honestly say when they watched this series the very first time picked up on the "Bad Wolf" recurring arc?- Nice to see "Scotty", or rather Scotty 2.0 in the from of the Editor!
It wasn't a bad episode, not by any stretch. I just didn't feel as entertained or moved as I had in earlier episodes.
"Father's Day" is a superb example of taking a well-worn plot and executing it beautifully! The whole idea of time travel and the consequences therein has been done so many times in such a variety of shows and films. But this brought it right down to the human level in a most personal way. In that respect, it evokes Star Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever. Of course the difference here is that the central figure willingly commits the change in time. I like the way that the Doctor really took it to Rose but didn't go overboard with criticizing her for it. He honestly does care about her. He knows that she's only 19 yrs old and impulsive to an extent.. and he can identify with her regret and longing. Paul Cornell is quite possibly going to be a guest at Marcon this year, so I may get a chance to talk to him about this episode.
Strangely, I find myself having trouble talking about this episode though. It was deeply and personally moving. It's not that I am harboring deep secrets. No, it's more that it's just hard to express how you can sometimes see yourself onscreen... even though you know you're not that much like a character. I have my days when I feel rather useless the way Rose's father seemed to. His regrets aren't really mine, because I have been there for my daughter. And my sons. Maybe the power in this episode comes from getting a little reassurance that the time I've had with my kids has been time well-spent, and that I've done alright by them. Who nows?
Re: 1 x 06 "The Long Game" and 1 x 07 "Father's Day"
"Father's Day" is one of my favorite hours of television ever, for all those reasons and more. It's a deeply moving piece of television, especially for anyone who's ever lost a family member or struggled with the realization that someone you idolized was incredibly fallible. "I'm your dad. It's my job for it to be my fault" and "I'm not that kind of a man" are two of my favorite moments in the episode. And Rose's bit about the Doctor being jealous that he's not the most important man in her life anymore was wonderfully acted and written. And on top of it all, Murray Gold's score is evocative, moody, moving, and very haunting. It's a five-star episode in my book.
"Father's Day" is a superb example of taking a well-worn plot and executing it beautifully! The whole idea of time travel and the consequences therein has been done so many times in such a variety of shows and films. But this brought it right down to the human level in a most personal way. In that respect, it evokes Star Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever. Of course the difference here is that the central figure willingly commits the change in time. I like the way that the Doctor really took it to Rose but didn't go overboard with criticizing her for it. He honestly does care about her. He knows that she's only 19 yrs old and impulsive to an extent.. and he can identify with her regret and longing. Paul Cornell is quite possibly going to be a guest at Marcon this year, so I may get a chance to talk to him about this episode.
Strangely, I find myself having trouble talking about this episode though. It was deeply and personally moving. It's not that I am harboring deep secrets. No, it's more that it's just hard to express how you can sometimes see yourself onscreen... even though you know you're not that much like a character. I have my days when I feel rather useless the way Rose's father seemed to. His regrets aren't really mine, because I have been there for my daughter. And my sons. Maybe the power in this episode comes from getting a little reassurance that the time I've had with my kids has been time well-spent, and that I've done alright by them. Who nows?
"Father's Day" is one of my favorite hours of television ever, for all those reasons and more. It's a deeply moving piece of television, especially for anyone who's ever lost a family member or struggled with the realization that someone you idolized was incredibly fallible. "I'm your dad. It's my job for it to be my fault" and "I'm not that kind of a man" are two of my favorite moments in the episode. And Rose's bit about the Doctor being jealous that he's not the most important man in her life anymore was wonderfully acted and written. And on top of it all, Murray Gold's score is evocative, moody, moving, and very haunting. It's a five-star episode in my book.
Re: 1 x 06 "The Long Game" and 1 x 07 "Father's Day"
You should watch the confidentials on the extra disc Simon Pegg had the hardest time saying The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe you can see his reaction when he finally got it right it's hilarious.
This one is my least favorite of the season mainly because the Doctor isn't too heroic in it. And I think by this point there was a Bad Wolf website because people were starting to put things together. And I hope you notice the face of Boe on the TV screen.
I hope you recoginzed the little black boy who fan into the church, that was Mickey.
And I loved the fact that Pete forgot Jackie's full name at the wedding. And you got to see another side of Rose she can be pretty selfish at times. This one also showed that the Time Lords really kept an eye on things.
And I wouldn't compare yourself with Pete, he kept trying those get rich quick schemes that failed and at times wasn't too responsibility of a person so sacificing his life to save everybody made him a hero. It was kind of funny that saw her parents with shall we say rose colored glasses and this showed the truth behind the myth she had created about them.
Those are the two episodes I watched this evening. Interestingly, both stories have been done and redone time and time again. That doesn't mean that they can't still be done well, however.
-
"The Long Game" was maybe my least favorite of the series to date. It never really grabbed me, though it was amusing to see Adam getting his implant.
Side notes:
- noticed "BadwolfTV"
- Nice to see "Scotty", or rather Scotty 2.0 in the from of the Editor!
It wasn't a bad episode, not by any stretch. I just didn't feel as entertained or moved as I had in earlier episodes.
You should watch the confidentials on the extra disc Simon Pegg had the hardest time saying The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe you can see his reaction when he finally got it right it's hilarious.
This one is my least favorite of the season mainly because the Doctor isn't too heroic in it. And I think by this point there was a Bad Wolf website because people were starting to put things together. And I hope you notice the face of Boe on the TV screen.
"Father's Day" is a superb example of taking a well-worn plot and executing it beautifully! The whole idea of time travel and the consequences therein has been done so many times in such a variety of shows and films. But this brought it right down to the human level in a most personal way. In that respect, it evokes Star Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever. Of course the difference here is that the central figure willingly commits the change in time. I like the way that the Doctor really took it to Rose but didn't go overboard with criticizing her for it. He honestly does care about her. He knows that she's only 19 yrs old and impulsive to an extent.. and he can identify with her regret and longing. Paul Cornell is quite possibly going to be a guest at Marcon this year, so I may get a chance to talk to him about this episode.
Strangely, I find myself having trouble talking about this episode though. It was deeply and personally moving. It's not that I am harboring deep secrets. No, it's more that it's just hard to express how you can sometimes see yourself onscreen... even though you know you're not that much like a character. I have my days when I feel rather useless the way Rose's father seemed to. His regrets aren't really mine, because I have been there for my daughter. And my sons. Maybe the power in this episode comes from getting a little reassurance that the time I've had with my kids has been time well-spent, and that I've done alright by them. Who nows?
I hope you recoginzed the little black boy who fan into the church, that was Mickey.
And I loved the fact that Pete forgot Jackie's full name at the wedding. And you got to see another side of Rose she can be pretty selfish at times. This one also showed that the Time Lords really kept an eye on things. And I wouldn't compare yourself with Pete, he kept trying those get rich quick schemes that failed and at times wasn't too responsibility of a person so sacificing his life to save everybody made him a hero. It was kind of funny that saw her parents with shall we say rose colored glasses and this showed the truth behind the myth she had created about them.
Re: 1 x 06 "The Long Game" and 1 x 07 "Father's Day"
Well the setting was changed towards the last minute but since this ep. is some important to the series' arc I don't think too much else was changed. One thing I never quite liked about Eccleston's era was that he wasn't too heroic at times nor was he much of a scientist at times. And in The Long Game they relied on the Doctor's ability to inspire others and it was really Cathica who saved the day.
Well the setting was changed towards the last minute but since this ep. is some important to the series' arc I don't think too much else was changed. One thing I never quite liked about Eccleston's era was that he wasn't too heroic at times nor was he much of a scientist at times. And in The Long Game they relied on the Doctor's ability to inspire others and it was really Cathica who saved the day.
Re: 1 x 07 "The Empty Child"
It's been quite a bit longer than I'd planned to be back on the beam. Be that as it may, right now it's halftime of The Game, so I thought I'd get back to a Whovian kind of entertainment.
This is a nice little creepy kind of story. An "empty" child wandering around, after a group of stree-children during WW II. And we get to meet Capt. Jack for the first time. Not that I knew who he was but I figured as much when the camera focused on him a bit as he watched Rose and her "nice bottom".
He's alright. At least for now. Kinda reminds me of a young Mark Harmon of "St. Elsewhere".
I thoroughly enjoyed the Doctor's encouragement to Nancy. And his admiration of the British during WW II .. "until one damp little islnad says, "not here". If that doesn't inspire British pride, what does?
"Mr. Spock".....
Question: What is the significance of "Albion Hospital" or is there any? The name possibly? I only ask because the camera held on it a bit, and hte music seemed mroe ominous than it had been, as if it were significant.
It seemed rather obvious or more likely that I just got luck and guessed right for once, that there was something suspicious of Dr. Constantine. And that this was going to be a cliffhanger.
It's been quite a bit longer than I'd planned to be back on the beam. Be that as it may, right now it's halftime of The Game, so I thought I'd get back to a Whovian kind of entertainment.
This is a nice little creepy kind of story. An "empty" child wandering around, after a group of stree-children during WW II. And we get to meet Capt. Jack for the first time. Not that I knew who he was but I figured as much when the camera focused on him a bit as he watched Rose and her "nice bottom".
He's alright.
At least for now. Kinda reminds me of a young Mark Harmon of "St. Elsewhere".I thoroughly enjoyed the Doctor's encouragement to Nancy. And his admiration of the British during WW II .. "until one damp little islnad says, "not here". If that doesn't inspire British pride, what does?
"Mr. Spock".....
Question: What is the significance of "Albion Hospital" or is there any? The name possibly? I only ask because the camera held on it a bit, and hte music seemed mroe ominous than it had been, as if it were significant.
It seemed rather obvious or more likely that I just got luck and guessed right for once, that there was something suspicious of Dr. Constantine. And that this was going to be a cliffhanger.
Re: 1 x 08 "The Doctor Dances"
This keeps getting better and better!
You just don't know if you can trust Jack completely or not. He's a con man and completely in denial that he could have been the cause here.
The Doctor's line "Like I said ... once." in reference to the weapons factory.
And Nancy... gotta love her! The girl is strong and can hold her own, especially when she just nails Mr. Lloyd for what he's really afraid of.
More as I et farther into it ..... and if there's a break in the action
This keeps getting better and better!
You just don't know if you can trust Jack completely or not. He's a con man and completely in denial that he could have been the cause here.
The Doctor's line "Like I said ... once." in reference to the weapons factory.
And Nancy... gotta love her! The girl is strong and can hold her own, especially when she just nails Mr. Lloyd for what he's really afraid of.
More as I et farther into it ..... and if there's a break in the action
Like other people have said I wish I was watching series 1 all over again for the first time...........enjoy 
The Empty Child/Doctor dances are excellent and other than the final 2 episodes of series 1 Bad Wolf/Parting of the ways are my favorite who since its reincarnation..
Christopher Eccleston was a good doctor although I do prefer David Tennant
Going a bit off topic but a bit of trivia I noticed the other day, Doctor who was first aired on British TV the day after JFK was assassinated. 23 November 1963, Its been going a hell of a long time, does this make it the longest running TV program ever I wonder?
The Empty Child/Doctor dances are excellent and other than the final 2 episodes of series 1 Bad Wolf/Parting of the ways are my favorite who since its reincarnation..
Christopher Eccleston was a good doctor although I do prefer David Tennant
Going a bit off topic but a bit of trivia I noticed the other day, Doctor who was first aired on British TV the day after JFK was assassinated. 23 November 1963, Its been going a hell of a long time, does this make it the longest running TV program ever I wonder?
HOLY CRAP!!!!!
Nancy is Jamie's MUMMY!!!!
But I'll bet you didn't catch the Bad Wolf reference in this one.
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