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STC Ep. 9 - "What Ships Are For"

What did you think of "What Ships Are For?"

  • Excellent (little to nothing to criticize)

    Votes: 44 61.1%
  • Good (mostly works well, but some missteps)

    Votes: 22 30.6%
  • Fair (passable, but could have been better)

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Poor (some potential, but largely unrealized)

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Bad (a waste of time)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    72
Because of a few quibbles I can't rate this as excellent, but overall I did enjoy it enough to rate it good.

My main complaint is familiar: I don't like the forshadowing and connecting-the-dots to later productions because that wouldn't have been there in 1970. Enough said there.

Visually there were some really nice shots, but overall the current f/x don't straddle the line as well as Doug Drexler's work. He managed to have that TOS look--albeit cleaned up and clearer) without looking too contemporary. That said what STC is currently doing looks much better than much of what is seen in TOS-R.

Storywise this was right up TOS' alley. This is exactly the kind of story they could have done back in the day. And the bonus is the issue is still relevant today as it's a timeless recurring one. My nitpick is that I feel it could have been more dramatic. I also felt Kirk's impassioned argument near the end seemed a bit padded and unnecessarily drawn out.

The use of b&w was a genuine WTF moment and I think it does effectively convey an abstract idea in a tangible way. Instead of saying everyone is the same "under the skin" we get everyone is the same when seen in the same light.

I feel Kirk destroying the weapons array might have been a step too far in that it could be argued he was stepping over the line in interfering with Hilean(?) affairs. Kirk making an impulsive move on the alien woman also struck me as unnecessarily gratuitous. "Lets do a Kirk with the green alien chick moent only we'll make her yellow." Yeesh. It felt out of place.

Sadly once again it feels like Spock and McCoy are largely standby extras again as McKennah gets the lines. This is one of the things that gives STC something of a TNG vibe. Granted that there are indeed many people aboard the Enterprise and it might be more realistic that Kirk would consult with others beyond Spock and McCoy, but thats not how TOS was usually structured. We expect that Spock and McCoy are Kirk's primary sounding boards and it's weird to see them sidelined so often.

I want to qualify that my criticisms are not meant to be huge honking grievances, but rather nitpicks. Like much of STC's efforts they get so much right and yet in certain key elements it feels like they're almost there but falter across the finish line.
 
Sadly once again it feels like Spock and McCoy are largely standby extras again as McKennah gets the lines. This is one of the things that gives STC something of a TNG vibe. Granted that there are indeed many people aboard the Enterprise and it might be more realistic that Kirk would consult with others beyond Spock and McCoy, but thats not how TOS was usually structured. We expect that Spock and McCoy are Kirk's primary sounding boards and it's weird to see them sidelined so often.

This is something I agree with the most. While I like McKennah, and Specht's performance, it seems to be coming at the expense of giving Spock and Bones anything to do with Kirk. I can only hope this is fixed during the series finale, which is necessary, since we're going to see how the trinity went their separate ways at the end of the five-year mission.

I still have a feeling that McKennah is going to meet an untimely end during the final mission, and that will play a part into why Bones and Spock leave the service, and why Kirk takes a desk job.
 
Not sure if I spotted correctly, but isn't the actress playing the redshirt navigator the same as the woman who appeared in the last two Farragut webisodes as a guest star? (in conspiracy of innocence she interrogated Michelle Smithfield, in the Crossing she was the primary female bad guy from the mirror Universe)?
 
Kirk: You can see color now, let make out! I know Kirk is a horn-dog but he wasted no time with her! LOL
He probably went to the holodeck later to get closure.


Not sure if I spotted correctly, but isn't the actress playing the redshirt navigator the same as the woman who appeared in the last two Farragut webisodes as a guest star? (in conspiracy of innocence she interrogated Michelle Smithfield, in the Crossing she was the primary female bad guy from the mirror Universe)?
With the black hair? That was Lisa Hansell in a wig.
 
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I agree that Kirk getting all over her felt wrong, bad Kirk cliche. Kirk having feelings for her could have been implied more subtly. Maybe it was the Infamous Green Shirt (bad influence).
 
Nice to see the planet set.

I gotta say watching those scenes in crisp b&w was rather cool. It reminded me of when I first started watching Star Trek way back in 1970 before we had a colour TV.
 
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When Kirk started giving Sekara "the eye" right out of the gate, my wife yelled "stop it!"; happy news is she built up enough curiosity to sit down and watch an entire episode, a first. :)
 
It would have been more impactful if the Enterprise had put a tractor beam on the pod and brought it within its shields, thus drawing the fire of the orbiting defense platform.
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No, THAT would have made me think the episode HAD devolved into TNG territory - Kirk taking out the platform was very much in line with TOS.

And I've often felt more like Harvey above, and have also commented and often felt many an STC fan episode was more TNG than TOS in tone and execution; and they've occasionally written Kirk more like Picard. And I also get that some feel Kirk's speech at teh end was more 'Puicard-like'; but even in TOS Kirk did occasionally 'speechify' (one example off the top of my head : the end of "The Omega Glory", but there are other examples) - and the speech he gave in this one came across to me like something third season Kirk would have said, so I didn't have a problem with it. YMMV.

I guess something I've come to accept in their series in the character of Counselor McKennah <--- That screams 'TNG'; and that's the real problem I have with the character. The actress who plays her -Michele Specht - is one of the better actors in the cast, and her performances are fine (sometimes great); but it's the character and it's inclusion in the 23rd century (which I'm sorry, but IMO) just doesn't fit for that era - and never was an element at all during the TOS feature film era); and the effective sidelining of the character of McCoy (not to mention the McCoy/Spock dynamic) that diminish the TOS feeling of the series for me at times, more than anything else. (Another pet peeve is all the rampant 'touch stoning' and 'small universe' elements; but I've yet to see a fan film that DOESN'T do that to what I consider excess in most outings; so that's part of fan films in general that I've seen.)

But again, overall, I still think this is one of the best episodes they've done - and it came across as sufficiently 'TOS' in tone (which is another reason I like it a lot.)
 
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I rated this as good--4/5 stars--but watching this a second time I think it's a near thing.

Compared with the original series I think this is good. Assessed as a fan production this is excellent work.

One thing that is undeniable since STC began is its aspiration in terms of story. They aimed higher than staging ship battles, fghting Klingons and pew-pew. They aspired to present stories in similar vein as TOS had done. And while they might falter in certain respects they have to be admired and respected for striving for something higher.
 
I must say that was excellent, this had the spirt of Trek, looking at a current social issue, and (pardon the pun shinning a different light on it. For me the "twist" became obvious pretty early... but still it worked. My only nitpicks are with the cold open, with the call forwards to TMP... The defence of the counsler and Grant's acting... thankfully this was all done early on and quickly forgotten. I would give this a solid A.
 
I'm pretty schizophrenic about the Counselor, since I really think the role is out of place, but I love the work Michelle Specht is doing, she's by far one of my favourite performers on the show. I just wish they'd cast her as Rand, or even Helen Noel. Use an established character, one who has some history with the crew, instead of one that feels like she timeslipped from the wrong series.
 
Funny I feel the opposite about Kipleigh Brown's role. I think she's fine in her role, but there's no bloody way you're gonna sell me that this is the same yeoman Smith from the second pilot...
Too bad she didn't want to cut her hair short and dye it brown, she would have been great as that yellowshirt helmsperson (what was her name, Lt. Rahda?) Brown would have fit that character perfectly...
 
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I'm pretty schizophrenic about the Counselor, since I really think the role is out of place, but I love the work Michelle Specht is doing, she's by far one of my favourite performers on the show. I just wish they'd cast her as Rand, or even Helen Noel. Use an established character, one who has some history with the crew, instead of one that feels like she timeslipped from the wrong series.
Casting her as Yeoman Rand might have been limiting. Casting her as Helen Noel would have been interesting. She could have done everything we've seen McKennah do so far.
 
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