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STC Ep. 8: ???....

Phoenix219 said:
My OCD really wants 13 episodes. I guess I'll have to import NV 2 and 3 into my STC season, and *really really* pretend its Vic or Bill.... lol.
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Captain of the USS Averof said:
Agreed! IMO Brian Gross was a pretty good Captain Kirk. Unfortunately he only did 2 NV/PII episodes, "Mind-Sifter" and "The Holiest Thing". So in my headcanon these 2 episodes plus the entirety of STC are TOS' fourth & fifth years. :hugegrin:
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With all of the New Voyages, Continues and TAS episodes combined, I think we have more than enough stories to cover the remaining two years of the five years mission. Especially with 'Mind Sifter' as Kirk appears to have been missing for a period of several months.
Danlav05 said:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cou...rk-in-the-same-timeline.285682/#post-11877561

:D The main change I would make to @Philip Guyott 's stirling work is put Come What May between EMBRACING THE WINDS and BLOOD AND FIRE due to Chekov's promotion. Ignore him being referred to as Lieutenant in To Serve All My Days and World Enough and Time - yes due to the differences between both productions wriggle room is absolutely required
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New Voyages have themselves confirmed that it is set between “No-Win Scenario” and “Mind-Sifter”, so there ;). However, New Voyages have also confirmed on several occasions that they do not regard their pilot episode as part of the NV canon, so I guess it does not matter where you place it.

Regarding Chekhov's promotion:
NEW VOYAGES: “To Serve All My Days” [E2] - Stardate 6031.2 - does not affect continuity as it must be set in a parallel universe where Chekov dies anyway! However in the later ending the whole episode was revealed to have been Chekov's own vodka induced dream:beer:

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NEW VOYAGES: “World Enough and Time” [E3] - Stardate 6283.4 - The entire TOS elements of the show are a future Sulu reminiscing about the past. Therefore any inconsistencies could be explained away by Sulu simply remembering incorrectly. However I do not recall him being referred to by his rank during this episode anyway.
CONTINUES: "Embracing the Winds" [E7] - Stardate 6295.3 - This is when Chekov was actually promoted to Lieutenant
NEW VOYAGES: “Come What May” [pilot episode] - Stardate 6010.1 Chekov is security chief! :wtf:
Unless he was demoted again. After all, in that episode he was pretty useless as security chief :lol:
 
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I have yet to actual SEE the vodka ending... are there any links? I really like the director's cut that has different audio cues and what not, though.

I was a huge fan of NV when it first began, but I was really never taken by Gross as Kirk. It seemed, to me, that the most fun episodes were the earlier ones, even if they were less polished; It seemed to start collapsing under its own pretentiousness as time went on. Breaking canon with the age of so many characters (meeting Carol so late, the unlikely conception of David, the age of Peter Kirk, etc.) and the constantly rotating cast of actors never helped. By the end, it didn't feel like I was watching the same web show. I would take the (vodka ending) Chekov episode and the amazing Sulu episode and throw them into my "canon blender" along with STC and oGaM, and I'll never hate on TAS, but the bulk of NV doesn't fit my personal canon.

At some point in my life time, if the guidelines issue dies down, I would absolutely love to see a production tackle the true Phase II; a post TMP 5 year mission, with new 70s or early 80s style credits and synth music and catch phrases, that are only based vaguely on the classic series, set on the refit and featuring an incident that, near the end, sends the Enterprise down to "cadet training", introduces a more militaristic Star Fleet and the monster maroons, and see's Spock's promotion to Captain and Chekov's departure to the Reliant.
 
I don't think the synth music would have been in general use yet if Phase II had been made in the Seventies. There would probably have been plenty of bongos, though.
 
Well, TMP was in '79, so a follow up series using its sets wouldn't have been hitting the air until Fall of '80 or '81. By '83, Knight Rider was on the air with synth music, no? TNG launched in '87 but had more of a '90s sensibility then an 80s one. Some kind of late 70s/early 80s blend and aesthetics, anyways....
 
Phoenix219 said:
Well, TMP was in '79, so a follow up series using its sets wouldn't have been hitting the air until Fall of '80 or '81. By '83, Knight Rider was on the air with synth music, no? TNG launched in '87 but had more of a '90s sensibility then an 80s one. Some kind of late 70s/early 80s blend and aesthetics, anyways....
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I would not presume to debate you.

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No debate necessary; my intent wasn't to argue, but to explain what I meant. I won't pretend to be an expert on any of this. :)
 
9gs said:
Too bad for the new guidelines. They make that almost impossible.
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No, they haven't. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated. They are GUIDELINES--NOT RULES.

As Vic himself explained the guidelines are a move to prevent the kind of excess that AP indulged in. There is actually nothing substantial preventing folks doing something similar to STC albeit perhaps a bit scaled back. The real issue is to avoid overt monetizing or profiting from fan projects.
 
^ THIS. So if the STC cast wanted to, say, start a post-TMP 'Phase II' type series in the form/style of a half-hour sequel/continuation of Filmation's TAS (as if it aired in the fall of 1980 on Saturday mornings), with the STC cast providing the voices... (HINT HINT WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE PLEASE SOMEBODY FROM STC BE READING THIS)
 
Nightowl1701 said:
^ THIS. So if the STC cast wanted to, say, start a post-TMP 'Phase II' type series in the form/style of a half-hour sequel/continuation of Filmation's TAS (as if it aired in the fall of 1980 on Saturday mornings), with the STC cast providing the voices... (HINT HINT WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE PLEASE SOMEBODY FROM STC BE READING THIS)
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I'd be down for that - I read somewhere that Farragut Forward may be revived. An animated TMP series would be cool, the era between TMP and TWOK is wonderfully untapped, a big space to fill!
 
Nightowl1701 said:
^ THIS. So if the STC cast wanted to, say, start a post-TMP 'Phase II' type series in the form/style of a half-hour sequel/continuation of Filmation's TAS (as if it aired in the fall of 1980 on Saturday mornings), with the STC cast providing the voices... (HINT HINT WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE PLEASE SOMEBODY FROM STC BE READING THIS)
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From what I've read, Vic has been saying unequivocally that he's done. STC completing TOS was his dream project and he's considering it finished, with no plans for other series.
 
Warped9 said:
No, they haven't. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated. They are GUIDELINES--NOT RULES.

As Vic himself explained the guidelines are a move to prevent the kind of excess that AP indulged in. There is actually nothing substantial preventing folks doing something similar to STC albeit perhaps a bit scaled back. The real issue is to avoid overt monetizing or profiting from fan projects.
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I agree. It seems to me that the studio has said what they will tolerate, not what they will not. Frankly, I think they're drawing a line in the sand and saying "stay on this side and you're fine, step over this line and we'll see."

I suspect, and i's entirely possible I'm wrong, that they will use the guidelines to stop those productions that push their luck too far. Those who play nice will likely be allowed to slip under the radar. Which is pretty much what happened before the guidelines.
 
BoredShipCapt'n said:
From what I've read, Vic has been saying unequivocally that he's done. STC completing TOS was his dream project and he's considering it finished, with no plans for other series.
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So true... and I was referring to the cost of producing a Movie era TOS since no sets exist and would have to be built. The current "guidelines" do not support raising the kind of funds for a project of that magnitude. Vic and company have invested 5 years? of their time. Far more than any of the original cast members did simply for the love of Star Trek. It is a shame but when STC ends we will have seen the best of fans films I think.
 
If someone wanted to do a limited series of half hour instalments and done with the same respect STC has operated with then I'm reasonably sure CBS wouldn't object.

What would be required would be strong writing to maximize the half hour format similar to what was done with half hour dramas in the 1950s.
 
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