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STC Ep. 8: "Still Treads The Shadow" rating and discussion....

Rating "Still Treads The Shadow."

  • Excellent (little to nothing to criticize)

    Votes: 27 42.9%

  • Good (mostly works well, but some missteps)

    Votes: 21 33.3%

  • Fair (passable, but could have been better)

    Votes: 12 19.0%

  • Poor (some potential, but largely unrealized)

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Bad (a waste of time)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .
Warped9 said:
Agree. I don't think it "decanonizes" ENT because the explanation given allows for multiple outcomes.

But like I said upthread I see a lot of borrowing going on here.
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True, in that it still leaves things vague enough as to whether the ending is a "returning" to that one moment. Every doorway to her could allow for a unique variation to appear and we only saw one.

It did and that is slightly disappointing. We had a decent idea for a followup to one of TOS's stronger stories, only to have it borrow from some of TNG's weaker ones.

So I compliment them on the acting distracting from a lot of that, and I admit even with staring at the sets so much I missed the little differences in the Defiant set.
 
Kemaiku said:
True, in that it still leaves things vague enough as to whether the ending is a "returning" to that one moment. Every doorway to her could allow for a unique variation to appear and we only saw one.

It did and that is slightly disappointing. We had a decent idea for a followup to one of TOS's stronger stories, only to have it borrow from some of TNG's weaker ones.

So I compliment them on the acting distracting from a lot of that, and I admit even with staring at the sets so much I missed the little differences in the Defiant set.
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I do wonder if they really realize (or perhaps doing it deliberately) that they're playing similar cards as used in other stories. In a sense it's another way of making callings to other productions without actually making specific refrences.

Yes, the acting was fine, but the many similar story elements along with the somewhat disappointing f/x work kept ringing a bell for me.
 
Even though this is yet another episode built on the bones of an earlier TOS show, overall, I found this episode to be pretty engaging -- much more so than the last two. But doesn't it seem AWFULLY similar to NV's "World Enough and Time"?
 
I thought it was a pretty nice follow up to the source episode. It borrowed from that and 2001, but it's not like we haven't seen it before in TOS.
 
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JE Smith said:
Even though this is yet another episode built on the bones of an earlier TOS show, overall, I found this episode to be pretty engaging -- much more so than the last two. But doesn't it seem AWFULLY similar to NV's "World Enough and Time"?
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Yep.

STC has done a lot of this where their stories hang a lot on what we're already familiar with. Taken as a whole it starts to lose kinship with TOS who very rarely followed up on what came before. TOS' approach was to go for new ideas rather than rehashing the old.
 
9gs said:
Yes I noticed that too. I can just about guarantee they did not film "someplace" else. I think I know the answer though. But not familiar with using the "Spoiler" so I will PM you.
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the spoiler tag is literally just spoiler in brackets like other tags.

You could also just quote a post with a spoiler in it and see the tag.
 
Tuskin38 said:
the spoiler tag is literally just spoiler in brackets like other tags.

You could also just quote a post with a spoiler in it and see the tag.
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Now that the episode is in broad release the spoiler issue is quickly going to lose its imperative. I'm going to do another viewing before I post an actual review/opinion.
 
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I thought this was a very good episode. I wish Star Trek Continues would be made canon. I've enjoyed every episode thus far except for the Civil War one which I stopped watching once I heard a line that I felt used moral equivalency to describe the Union and Confederate causes. I wasn't feeling that at all so I skipped that episode.

As for this new episode, I didn't know what to expect. I was hoping that William Shatner was the older Kirk that was found on the Defiant. But once I let that fan dream go I thought Vic Mignogna was effective as an older Kirk, a somewhat bitter version who felt betrayed by his friends. I'm glad that the Kirkian optimism didn't turn the Defiant Kirk into a full on villain.

I also enjoyed special guest star Rekha Sharma. I enjoyed the hinted relationship between Kirk and Avi though it seems more unrequited. I wish the character had been a canon relationship because I could see them attempting to rekindle a romance in light of the older Kirk's sacrifice. His life could've been a warning for them to not let go of another opportunity.

I also enjoyed the older Kirk's sacrifice. It felt more appropriate than Kirk's sacrifice in Generations.
 
Actually I liked that they didn't try to rekindle the youthful romance. It felt more believable that they might have had something sparking between them as kids, but they had each changed over the years so that while there remained a measure of sentiment it was now mostly nostalgia.

If anything, though, I don't think it was necessary to dredge up yet another long lost flame even though it was a teenage thing of the past.
 
I really enjoyed this one! Judy Burns was a big asset. It was yet another follow-up, but after the fanwank of the previous episode a professional writer's handling of the script was welcome.

And I like that the phases seen in the makeup effects were consistent with "The Deadly Years." That was a nice touch.

Doug Drexler's touch was missed in the visual effects.
 
Bridge set answer:
Same bridge set. Different overheads, designed by Will Smith to match the other ship as seen in TOS--fortunately those displays are very different in style to those on the Enterprise, so they help a great deal. Alternate dedication plaque. But the biggest factor is the lighting.

Enough platforms were made to finish the bridge but consoles were never built for the last one-and-a-half starboard stations. These platforms, with railings, were put in place when needed for specific shots. This episode isn't the first time this was done. Also, (not necessarily in this episode, but...) when necessary, shots at another station (Environmental) are cheated via angles/editing to stand in for the never-built Weapons Sub-Systems station. Even though TOS had all their bridge pieces, even they often cheated in this way to save time.
 
I liked it.

I knew immediately that the old man was Jim Kirk, and it took just a second to tie it all together, but I have to admit the AI threw me for a loop. It wasn't exactly my favorite aspect of the episode, as I'm not a fan of rogue AI stories. I think part of it was the effect: it looked like you guys were going for retro without taking us out of the moment, but it took me right out of the moment, as did the voiceover narration. Every scene with the AI took me out.

That said, there were some truly touching moments, and this may be Vic's best work yet. I was convinced these were two different James Kirks, and the elder Kirk was played with such pain in his eyes, it was spot on in every scene. Oh, and when Kirk went to embrace Spock like a long lost brother? That made me choke up, it was a sweet moment. Well done, all around!

I'm not sure what I can say that I haven't said for each one of STC's productions: the set is top notch and feels authentic, the acting is solid, the lighting, the makeup, the costumes, it all creates this feeling that I'm watching original episodes. I will echo the sentiments of a few others who said Chuck's hairpiece still isn't quite right. I'm sure they'll get it. All in all, a delightful episode from my favorite Star Trek fan production!
 
DarKush said:
I thought this was a very good episode. I wish Star Trek Continues would be made canon. I've enjoyed every episode thus far except for the Civil War one which I stopped watching once I heard a line that I felt used moral equivalency to describe the Union and Confederate causes. I wasn't feeling that at all so I skipped that episode.

As for this new episode, I didn't know what to expect. I was hoping that William Shatner was the older Kirk that was found on the Defiant. But once I let that fan dream go I thought Vic Mignogna was effective as an older Kirk, a somewhat bitter version who felt betrayed by his friends. I'm glad that the Kirkian optimism didn't turn the Defiant Kirk into a full on villain.

I also enjoyed special guest star Rekha Sharma. I enjoyed the hinted relationship between Kirk and Avi though it seems more unrequited. I wish the character had been a canon relationship because I could see them attempting to rekindle a romance in light of the older Kirk's sacrifice. His life could've been a warning for them to not let go of another opportunity.

I also enjoyed the older Kirk's sacrifice. It felt more appropriate than Kirk's sacrifice in Generations.
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I couldn't help but wonder if the intent was to get Shatner in the episode, but that it may not have worked out perhaps due to the timing of the guidelines, the rush job on finishing the series, and the one particular guideline concerning Trek alumni. It definitely would have been some great work and a great ending for Shatner to go out on - saving the Enterprise and his friends, as it should have always been.
 
Phoenix219 said:
I couldn't help but wonder if the intent was to get Shatner in the episode, but that it may not have worked out perhaps due to the timing of the guidelines, the rush job on finishing the series, and the one particular guideline concerning Trek alumni. It definitely would have been some great work and a great ending for Shatner to go out on - saving the Enterprise and his friends, as it should have always been.
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Wow that would have been mind-blowing.
 
Phoenix219 said:
I couldn't help but wonder if the intent was to get Shatner in the episode, but that it may not have worked out perhaps due to the timing of the guidelines, the rush job on finishing the series, and the one particular guideline concerning Trek alumni. It definitely would have been some great work and a great ending for Shatner to go out on - saving the Enterprise and his friends, as it should have always been.
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The other and more direct issue is of physical resemblance. It's easier to buy an "aged" Vic as an older version of a young Vic than Shatner as an older Vic. I thought about this while watching the episode and it works better the way they did it.

Also the older Vic doesn't seem so much a departure from the older Kirk seen in "The Deadly Years" whereas Shatner doesn't look much like he did as the "aged" Kirk in that episode.
 
So, do I understand this correctly, that the Defiant was duplicated in interphasic space - the "original" ending up in the Mirror Universe where it was found by the Enterprise crew and Captain Archer, the duplicate ending up back in the Prime Universe after being stranded for a long time where?
 
ChrisRBee said:
So, do I understand this correctly, that the Defiant was duplicated in interphasic space - the "original" ending up in the Mirror Universe where it was found by the Enterprise crew and Captain Archer, the duplicate ending up back in the Prime Universe after being stranded for a long time where?
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Who is to say which is the original Defiant? According to the explanation given there could have been multiple duplicates created with multiple outcomes.

What I don't really get was Ti's agenda. Thats one reason I have to watch it again. If the ship had the power it apparently had then why didn't Ti get them out of there?
 
BTW hats off to Lisa and her crew. I thought the makeup was outstanding. The oversized shirt and prosthetics underneath to make Vic looked hunched over or was that all Vic and acting? I wonder how long Vic had to sit in the makeup chair to get ready. Probably 3-4 hours? I loved the aging in the Captain's logs too.
 
Warped9 said:
The other and more direct issue is of physical resemblance. It's easier to buy an "aged" Vic as an older version of a young Vic than Shatner as an older Vic. I thought about this while watching the episode and it works better the way they did it.

Also the older Vic doesn't seem so much a departure from the older Kirk seen in "The Deadly Years" whereas Shatner doesn't look much like he did as the "aged" Kirk in that episode.
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Yes I had wondered about that too but after seeing it and the performance Vic gave I agree 100%
 
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