STC Ep. 6: "Come Not Between The Dragons" grading and discussion....(possible spoilers)
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Sounds like what Slaver Weapon did, if I'm remembering my TAS correctly.I feel the same way in 2017 when I am in Anaheim for a trade show grab your Trek pals meet me at Vasques Rock in a costumes and I'll bring my cameras
Who knows but you will NEVER make everyone happy
that is human nature i believe, but both NV and STC sometime line up the dots
I will reply to that in June,and again I enjoy STC, not chomping at the bit to see it but I am sure I will enjoy it.
To be honest if I can make a wish list, imagine that Shatner went to his dad's funeral or had an appendectomy, or got a dream role in a movie and needed to take an episode or two off what would a lower decks episode look like. The way TNG era would focus on a different character from time to time, a McCoy and Uhura trapped on a world where whites are the minority, without much help from the Enterprise. Or Sulu doing some work for Star Fleet Intelligence and getting an operative out of an Orion slave trade world.
With the popularity of the other characters I think that would be of been the next phase of trek in the 70's, maybe 3 or 4 such stories a season
The Bones rug has been a recurring problem. It keeps changing but seldom looks right. Tends to look more like a combover than a JFK style.
So, Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley... were not an ensemble? Then the definition has definitely changed.
An ensemble as is more conventional understood. The series was originally a star vehicle for the lead--in this case Shatner. Spock's popularity brought Nimoy to the fore. The great chemistry along with DeForest Kelley made it a triad.
The rest of the cast were supporting day players.
So your point only matters because of what was originally conceived and forget about the definition? So, Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley were not an ensemble cast???
Not in the sense it's understood today.
Shatner was still the star lead of the show. Nimoy was second billing. Kelley was thitd billing. They were not all on equal footing.
TOS became an ensemble on-screen around Trek III and IV. In the minds of the fans, earlier, because of all the convention appearances and cumulative goodwill. I don't think it's worth trying to unbake that cake just for the sake of being clinically accurate to TOS.
Please, the movies weren't ensemble pieces, either. They just gave a few moments to the minor characters, but the focus was just as squarely on Kirk, Spock and Bones as ever. Even when TNG went to the movies it became more a star vehicle and less and ensemble than the show had been.
I don't think STC has really strayed from the Kirk-as-star formula, with the exception of "Fairest of Them All" (necessarily centered on Spock). What they don't do is leave out characters for an entire episode, since (as I mentioned) they only meet twice a year, so if people show up they're given something to do.
As for Lt. Smith, okay, we all know Gene didn't cast Andrea Dromm for her acting skills - but Kipleigh Brown is talented, and there's no need to waste talent. Same with Dr. McKennah - yes, Michele is Vic's fiancee, but she's also great onscreen and has gained a lot of fans in that role.
It's still Kirk in the driver's seat.
As for Lt. Smith, okay, we all know Gene didn't cast Andrea Dromm for her acting skills - but Kipleigh Brown is talented, and there's no need to waste talent. Same with Dr. McKennah - yes, Michele is Vic's fiancee, but she's also great onscreen and has gained a lot of fans in that role.
It's still Kirk in the driver's seat.
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This never happened...
There were a few all-cast publicity shots that I recall from the third season (one set on the bridge and one in the transporter room) that could reinforce the notion of TOS being an large group ensemble show. There was a similar TAS shot as well along with each TOS film. Every Trek series since has done this.
But earlier TOS publicity were either of the cast members individualy or of two or three cast members together at one time. There were quite a few of Kirk & Spock and some with Kirk, Spock & McCoy. There was one of Kirk, Spock, McCoy & Uhura together.
It's not hard to see fans latch onto the idea that TOS was the large ensemble. Now STC has perpetuated this idea. There have been a few publicity shots of Kirk & Spock and they have recreated or mimicked at least one of the classic all-cast shots (on the bridge).
The key distinction is STC does try to give the supporting characters more to do similar to what was done earlier in TOS' first season.
But earlier TOS publicity were either of the cast members individualy or of two or three cast members together at one time. There were quite a few of Kirk & Spock and some with Kirk, Spock & McCoy. There was one of Kirk, Spock, McCoy & Uhura together.
It's not hard to see fans latch onto the idea that TOS was the large ensemble. Now STC has perpetuated this idea. There have been a few publicity shots of Kirk & Spock and they have recreated or mimicked at least one of the classic all-cast shots (on the bridge).
The key distinction is STC does try to give the supporting characters more to do similar to what was done earlier in TOS' first season.
I was watching Tribbles on Saturday, and at the end when they are all laughing at the end and though gee to think they all hate Shatner ...should of gotten emmys
...gee I wonder why ?
I would say they were the principle leads, kind of funny how they became the Id, ego and super ego To Be [McCoy] or not to be [Spock] That isssssssss the QUEStion [Kirk]
Michelle Specht and Kipleigh Brown are decent actresses from what I've seen so far. Kim Stinger also strikes me as competent particularly in this recent episode. I'm not wholly sure of Wyatt Leinart yet and for me, well, the jury is still out on Grant Imahara.
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My impression is, in the Apollo episode they gave a big chance to Imahara and Stinger and decided to scale down their lines in subsequent episodes, in favour of Michelle Specht and Brown.
Chris Doohan has the ability to land a zinger and deliver a funny line, but IMO they are trying to protect him by keeping his role minimal. Lord knows I'd love to see a Scotty performance like in Wolf in the Fold or A taste of Armageddon, but I get the feeling Doohan isn't up for such a substained performance yet.
Chris Doohan has the ability to land a zinger and deliver a funny line, but IMO they are trying to protect him by keeping his role minimal. Lord knows I'd love to see a Scotty performance like in Wolf in the Fold or A taste of Armageddon, but I get the feeling Doohan isn't up for such a substained performance yet.
I think Wyatt has a pretty good screen presence and is holding his own in that role. The Russian accent, like Doohan's comes and goes on occasion, but overall I think he has it down. It's definitely his take on Chekov and not a parody. One of his best scenes was in "Fairest" when he finds out that he's going back to the Agony Booth. lol. Poor guy.
Yeah, I love his anticipatory screaming in the turbolift to get warmed up for the booth!
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