ST-One
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Forget about it. It's only hearsay and not important.
Starship size does matter...
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Forget about it. It's only hearsay and not important.
Well, it wasn't that important to most people... but apparently ST-One's world view was greatly effected by this statement. Why else would he be looking for unrelated stuff to shoot the story out of the water.
So, ST-One, have you written your letters to those guys yet?
The way this issue has weighed on you I would hope that you wouldn't let either of those guys off the hook until they told you exactly what you want to hear (as nothing short would do for you).
Remember... vigilance, vigilance, vigilance!
And as always, let us all know how this all turns out for you.
ST-One
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Well, it wasn't that important to most people... but apparently ST-One's world view was greatly effected by this statement. Why else would he be looking for unrelated stuff to shoot the story out of the water.
So, ST-One, have you written your letters to those guys yet?
The way this issue has weighed on you I would hope that you wouldn't let either of those guys off the hook until they told you exactly what you want to hear (as nothing short would do for you).
Remember... vigilance, vigilance, vigilance!
And as always, let us all know how this all turns out for you.
What is your problem?
Just to remind you: I'm not one of those who took that piece of hearsay and used it to bash the movie and it's creative team before that film was even released to the cinemas.
ST-One
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Ah, what the hell:
Geoff Mandel, a conceptual artist, who worked for other incarnations of Trek and was also hired for Star Trek.
He claims that he was fired during the production of the film because he drew up some images comparing the Church-Enterprise with Jefferies-Enterprise (at lest that is what he told John Eaves, who also worked on the film).
That's all we know, and probably ever will know.
It's not enough to draw any conclusions from. But it was used, by some here, to decry the creative corruption of Abrams and his team.
I'm not the one with a problem... your the one attempting to shoot this down with half baked theories when you could go straight to the sources.
What is your problem?
Just to remind you: I'm not one of those who took that piece of hearsay and used it to bash the movie and it's creative team before that film was even released to the cinemas.
Who cares what others have or haven't done... the only thing that you should care about is if it is true. But that isn't what you care about, is it? If you have a valid doubt (rather than it just being inconvenient for you), go to the sources and prove it once and for all.
And just think... once you do that, you'll be able to hold this over the heads of all those people... who you want to hold this over.
But do something about it!
This is a great example of real hearsay... as the statement from what this is all based on never said that Mandel said anything.
If ST-One really wanted you to know, he would have just reproduced the original quote by Eaves... like this:
John Eaves, March 16, 2009 at 1:15 pm
"I did make it on the new one!!! My friend Geoffry Mandell and I were some of the only folks that worked on any of the previous Treks to get on the new one. One day Geoff had to scale the Enterprise and he did so by picturing the new ship in comparison to the previous ships,, He was let go the next day for being to attached and close to the older shows,,,,, I stayed very very quiet after that dark day I can tell you!!! HAAAA!"
See, that way you could reach your own conclusions rather than having to follow his narrative."I did make it on the new one!!! My friend Geoffry Mandell and I were some of the only folks that worked on any of the previous Treks to get on the new one. One day Geoff had to scale the Enterprise and he did so by picturing the new ship in comparison to the previous ships,, He was let go the next day for being to attached and close to the older shows,,,,, I stayed very very quiet after that dark day I can tell you!!! HAAAA!"
But that would appear to be too much to expect from ST-One on this subject.
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This is a great example of real hearsay... as the statement from what this is all based on never said that Mandel said anything.
If ST-One really wanted you to know, he would have just reproduced the original quote by Eaves... like this:John Eaves, March 16, 2009 at 1:15 pmSee, that way you could reach your own conclusions rather than having to follow his narrative.
"I did make it on the new one!!! My friend Geoffry Mandell and I were some of the only folks that worked on any of the previous Treks to get on the new one. One day Geoff had to scale the Enterprise and he did so by picturing the new ship in comparison to the previous ships,, He was let go the next day for being to attached and close to the older shows,,,,, I stayed very very quiet after that dark day I can tell you!!! HAAAA!"
But that would appear to be too much to expect from ST-One on this subject.
Whatever.
I'm just sorry I even brought it up.
Make of Eaves' quote what you will, JarodRussell
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Sounds like he was let go for being too close to the original franchise. That could mean a number of things, including not drawing things up the way the boss was telling him to.
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Perhaps, that was the case.
Okay, I think more is being made of this than really needed to be. Eaves may not have recanted, but it seems that the passage quoted was removed from his blog or from wherever it originally appeared, because the only places I can find even fragments of it are in this thread and in several others posted here on TrekBBS (though reference can be found to the thing elsewhere.) Whatever the case, Geoff Mandel still has his credit in the movie, if I'm not mistaken, and belaboring the matter further here serves no useful purpose, I think. We don't know what really happened, we may never know, and that's about all there is.This is a great example of real hearsay... as the statement from what this is all based on never said that Mandel said anything.
If ST-One really wanted you to know, he would have just reproduced the original quote by Eaves... like this:John Eaves, March 16, 2009 at 1:15 pmSee, that way you could reach your own conclusions rather than having to follow his narrative.
"I did make it on the new one!!! My friend Geoffry Mandell and I were some of the only folks that worked on any of the previous Treks to get on the new one. One day Geoff had to scale the Enterprise and he did so by picturing the new ship in comparison to the previous ships,, He was let go the next day for being to attached and close to the older shows,,,,, I stayed very very quiet after that dark day I can tell you!!! HAAAA!"
But that would appear to be too much to expect from ST-One on this subject.
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What I wanna know is "How'd they get that big son-of-a-gun off the ground?!?"
a) Tugshuttles, equipped with strong tractor beams also capable of reinforcing the structural integrity of the target vessel.
b) On it's own power.
c) Insert own explanation here.
In any case it should be a relatively easy task considering 23rd century technology and starship capabilities.
They slid the planet out from under it. An easy accomplisment for 23rd century technology!
Technically, with a strong enough external inertial dampener, when activated the ship would no longer be effected by the Earth's momentum, so the Earth would continue on in it's orbit while the ship remains stationary. After it's exited the atmosphere, it could easily be put into orbit with a small tug shuttle.
Answer: Technobabble!
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Yeah, pretty much, like always.
I don't remember if it was Eaves or someone else who stated in an interview, Re the ship being built on the ground, "The Enterprise is not some flimsy butterfly that can't even support its own weight" or something to that effect.
In which case, either it was hauled into orbit using the TMP drydock (lock it in a tractor beam, float skyward on antigravs) or it lifted off under its own power. The former is probably more likely, since I don't see them letting the ship launch on its own without a full shakedown first.
In which case, either it was hauled into orbit using the TMP drydock (lock it in a tractor beam, float skyward on antigravs) or it lifted off under its own power. The former is probably more likely, since I don't see them letting the ship launch on its own without a full shakedown first.
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Established events do not elaborate on this. It obviously happened though.
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A combination of both?
Tractor beams used to provide some lift, utilizing RCS thrusters to stabilize and take part of the load, so that there is not too much strain on the Tractor beams.
Anti-gravs may be used to help as well.
For all we know, it may be a slow, carefully controlled process, followed by testing of the ship's systems once she reaches orbit, and gets powered up for the first time.
I could also see that the ship may be monitored as altitude increases for things like atmospheric leaks, hull breaches or unusual/unexpected stress issues.
The Artifical Gravity might also be adjusted so that onboard personnel feel only 1G.
If the Enterprise is built in a Gravity Well, it could be so that not all equipment on board needs to be bolted down or transported up individually.
It strikes me as being easier to walk on a deck to manipulate equipment than to work on all manner of tractor beams, arms and space-suits in a weightless environment to build something like a Starship.
Maybe, but some tasks do become alot easier in space. Moving heavy objects and certain construction tasks, for example. I imagine the basic construction of the ship is probably done on the ground while detailed shipfitting (tractor beams, weapons, medical/scientific equipment, furniture etc) are done in dry dock after the first shakedown cruise, where gravity can be turned off so the workers won't have to drag things around like underpaid daylaborers.
Without gravity fighting your every move, that final fitting out wouldn't take very long. You could probably get it all done by Tuesday.
Without gravity fighting your every move, that final fitting out wouldn't take very long. You could probably get it all done by Tuesday.
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