I just rewatched TUC and got a giggle from that scene. I explained it away as perhaps he was sleeping in a smaller set of quarters/ready room near the bridge for quick access. I remembered touring the USS Lexington and that the captain had a small room off the bridge in addition to his larger quarters.
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I just rewatched TUC and got a giggle from that scene. I explained it away as perhaps he was sleeping in a smaller set of quarters/ready room near the bridge for quick access. I remembered touring the USS Lexington and that the captain had a small room off the bridge in addition to his larger quarters.
Huh...so that space is nothing more than a big-ass skylight. Interesting. It definitely looks like they made the main bridge deck taller and lessened the height of the upper dome housing, without increasing the overall height of the structure. In the original version, it looks roughly 1/3 bridge deck, 2/3 dome. In the new one, it's almost half-and-half and certainly more detailed.
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Well, you'd get a magnified compressed view at the closest look ... IF an actual zoom effect was used as opposed to just representing the move as a physical motion through space ... if you were shooting it with the same size lens throughout the shot, there wouldn't be distortion arising unless you were in way WAY close, and the distortion would roll to one side.
If you look at live-action of Sarek walking with FedPrez in TVH, you can see the lines of the room distort significantly as they go screen right, due to the wide angle lens.
I just took it that Meyers depicted Starfleet as a more militaristic organisation, and military ships tend to be cramped.
It sure looks like a different size, but then again, the shot where it does is also being filmed with a wide-angle lens, which distorts the hell out of the image.
How do you get to find shots from ID like this ??
^Most are from www.ncc1701shipyard.com.
And where did _they_ get that ? (that's the essence of my question, really)
Screenshots from trailers, tv spots, various featurettes, promo images etc etc
I wasn't aware there was so much stuff i the trailers and promos. Especially of the refit.
Speaking of refit, it seems to me like there's another thing that's different. Before that, the opening 'fins' at the end of the saucers opended into three blocks, but now it seems that they open into four:
http://www.ncc1701shipyard.com/images/highres/nacelles6.jpg
Speaking of refit, it seems to me like there's another thing that's different. Before that, the opening 'fins' at the end of the saucers opended into three blocks, but now it seems that they open into four:
http://www.ncc1701shipyard.com/images/highres/nacelles6.jpg
Well, I've argued before that the changes that Nero made would *have* to go both ways - past and future...otherwise the Alternate Universe's past would be full of travelers from a future that wasn't it's own future - and nuKirk could go back in time to say the events of "Assignment: Earth", and hitch a ride with Prime Kirk & Spock back to the Prime universe! (Then again, there's the concept in some sci-fi of visitors from *probably* futures, because the future is in flux - but I don't think that applies here.)
Anyway, so it's possible that changes in the technology in nuTrek were the result of *other* trips to the past, from some time in the Alternate Universe's future (or maybe even it's present) - trips that didn't take place in the Prime Timeline, but do...now...in the Alternate Timeline. (This is also the very same mechanism that would allow for the changes that Nero made to propagate *both* ways in time.)
How does that work ?
I don't see that as a problem, since by that time they went back to the future... that was just erased. Their loss.
Not the way I envision it:
http://i79.servimg.com/u/f79/17/02/47/01/timeli11.jpg
Absolutely. I saw the movie again today and it's only in that shot that the bridge seems taller. In the scene where they depart from spacedock, you have a clear shot of the bridge module and it's no different than from the first movie.
Actually, it looks to me like they intentionally distorted that particular chunk of the model to accommodate a larger bridge window for that specific shot. Probably this is because the flip-side zoom in cinematography looked weird otherwise and they had to fudge things a bit to make it look right. The model itself actually looks very strange leading right up to that zoom in and never looks like that again in any other shot (and the bridge window is also very much out of proportion with the side windows port and starboard).
It's not hard to guess what the problem was: they wanted the camera to eventually zoom in to Kirk standing in the bridge window showing his face as we got closer. With the original proportions of the window, Kirk would be a very tiny ant in that window until right before the camera flew into it; the buildup of "I see a person... I see a person in a gold shirt... it's Kirk" is kind of diluted in that case. The purpose of that shot wasn't so much to Establish the size of the Enterprise so much as establishing Kirk's location on the Enterprise and the Enterprise's location in the scheme of things; accordingly, they fudged the model a bit to make certain things stand out better than others.
It's kind of annoying, but not exactly meaningful. It's still not quite as bad as the fact that you can't see the saucer section from Jean Luc Picard's ready room window.
Aha!! Take a look at this image from STiD:
http://www.ncc1701shipyard.com/images/highres/shuttlebay3.jpg
The shuttle bay is NOT symmetric. Note the "central" lane does not go down the middle, and the supporting bar on the port side is longer than the one on the starboard. Longer shuttles go on the port side, shorter ones on the starboard. This suggests they were re-thinking the absurd scene from ST09....
http://www.ncc1701shipyard.com/images/highres/shuttlebay3.jpg
The shuttle bay is NOT symmetric. Note the "central" lane does not go down the middle, and the supporting bar on the port side is longer than the one on the starboard. Longer shuttles go on the port side, shorter ones on the starboard. This suggests they were re-thinking the absurd scene from ST09....
That looks like a "W" shaped bridge structure up top.
That might be interesting as a "small" attack craft on its own.
Now for after market folks to do a new impulse deck for the Revell offering.
growing up, Trek ships were the biggest things on Screen. Now you had the Valley Forge from Silent Running, and Cygnus, but when I first saw the Star destroyer I knew something had changed.
Now Trek ships are finally keeping up with everyone else, and folks are mad. Rather like how folks bashed SLS when I thought bringing Saturn class rockets back would be accepted.
Go Figure.
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That looks like a "W" shaped bridge structure up top.
That might be interesting as a "small" attack craft on its own.
Now for after market folks to do a new impulse deck for the Revell offering.
growing up, Trek ships were the biggest things on Screen. Now you had the Valley Forge from Silent Running, and Cygnus, but when I first saw the Star destroyer I knew something had changed.
Now Trek ships are finally keeping up with everyone else, and folks are mad. Rather like how folks bashed SLS when I thought bringing Saturn class rockets back would be accepted.
Go Figure.
Yeah a few individuals are having a real problem with the new reality... personally I am loving the new ship sizes, I think it is more realistic and an understandable response to the Narada incursion and destruction of Vulcan.
I would not have minded if the NuEnterprise had been destroyed and the Vengeance had become its replacement, but perhaps that would be a bit too mirror universe in feel.
I was hoping for an extensive refit at the end of Into Darkness with some Vengeance class upgrades, perhaps it will happen at the end of the 3rd film.
Now we are left wondering who will be the next enemy now that the first 5 year mission is underway (a few years earlier than in original series).
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