Yep, those are the ones.Are you talking about these?
Assuming the "less ample" nacelles are correct, looks to be roughly the same length
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Assuming the "less ample" nacelles are correct, looks to be roughly the same length
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I know it's not canon, but I have Always tought that the Constitution refit has 4-5 decks on saucer rim, not just 2,
Are you talking about these?
The Beyond JJprise is uglier than in the first two movies.
She looks ugly in orthos, but in the movie itself I thought she was beautiful. Especially when flying through the Necro Cloud.
She looks fine in the side view but that top view… makes her look like some weird space jellyfish /squid thing!
It's one that you really need to see in motion, flat images don't do it justice.
I think the '09/ID Enterprise is similar in that regard.
It's not really a problem to me, just making an observation. Whichever one someone prefers is up to them.
If you saw what JJ's actual idea for how Starkiller Base was supposed to work, you'd have been impressed with his showing of restraint.
Volumetrically, it's not even THAT large. A good portion of the TOS ships length was that of the warp nacelles and the thickest part of the saucer -- the part large enough to enclose 8 full decks -- is only about 40 meters wide, with the rest of the saucer being a only one and a half decks thick.
I've said it many times here, but it needs to be remembered that Length is not the same thing as size. That also needs to be remembered that in terms of internal volume, the reboot Enterprise is still just only 65% as large as the Galaxy class and MUCH of that volume is in its warp nacelles.
It isn't. It's actually about two thirds the size (see above).
ETA: I found my numbers from way back in the day.
Reboot Enterprise has a volume of 2,824,395m^3
Enterprise-C has a volume of 2,871,310m^3
Enterprise-D has a volume of 5,820,983m^3
Enterprse-E has a volume of 2,429,193m^3
So the only ship the reboot Enterprise is bigger than is the Enterprise-E. Which sort of begs the question "Why is the E-E so much smaller than its two predecessors?"
The answer, of course, is "Who the hell cares?"
Since the destruction of the Kelvin, we no longer have any way of knowing what its prime universe counterpart would have looked like. It's entirely possible -- even likely -- that the Enterprise we're seeing in the reboot films wound up being named been named "USS Dreadnaught Entente" in the Prime Universe.
They did that with the Vengeance already. Half of us were thinking the Enterprise-A would be a demilitarized dreadnaught class anyway, but instead they surprised us and gave us a totally new (and kind of awesome) redesign that's about the same size as the first one.
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I wish they had used the Vengeance, it would have been worth it for the thread meltdown alone.It isn't. It's actually about two thirds the size (see above).
ETA: I found my numbers from way back in the day.
Reboot Enterprise has a volume of 2,824,395m^3
Enterprise-C has a volume of 2,871,310m^3
Enterprise-D has a volume of 5,820,983m^3
Enterprse-E has a volume of 2,429,193m^3
So the only ship the reboot Enterprise is bigger than is the Enterprise-E. Which sort of begs the question "Why is the E-E so much smaller than its two predecessors?"
The answer, of course, is "Who the hell cares?"
Since the destruction of the Kelvin, we no longer have any way of knowing what its prime universe counterpart would have looked like. It's entirely possible -- even likely -- that the Enterprise we're seeing in the reboot films wound up being named been named "USS Dreadnaught Entente" in the Prime Universe.
They did that with the Vengeance already. Half of us were thinking the Enterprise-A would be a demilitarized dreadnaught class anyway, but instead they surprised us and gave us a totally new (and kind of awesome) redesign that's about the same size as the first one.
For the deniers it would have been like wall to wall
For me it would have been like
I see a lot of the Vengeance in the A. Especially the nacelle placement.
She looks fine in the side view but that top view… makes her look like some weird space jellyfish /squid thing!
I actually love the Beyond Enterprise's top view (probably my favourite view of the Enterprise 1701 from the 09 movie through to now)
It's all in the swept-back nacelle struts... Hmmm...
I actually love the Beyond Enterprise's top view (probably my favourite view of the Enterprise 1701 from the 09 movie through to now)
It's all in the swept-back nacelle struts... Hmmm...
Have fun then.
http://s912.photobucket.com/user/KingDaniel01/media/Beyond_Enterprise_comparison1.jpg.html
http://s912.photobucket.com/user/KingDaniel01/media/quick_comparison_Beyond_ent.jpg.html
https://s32.postimg.io/b2h98qylh/enterprisebeyond.jpg
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Ha! Thanks for those (I already have the Ortho saved to my desktop, for me to drool at), but I appreciate your enabling me!
725 meters in the official Star Trek Encyclopedia. 
Much love to Mike Okuda
http://www.startrek.com/article/revised-expanded-trek-encyclopedia-out-oct-18
Much love to Mike Okuda
http://www.startrek.com/article/revised-expanded-trek-encyclopedia-out-oct-18
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I did like the detail comparison posted in one of the other threads, the new ship is longer than the prime D but it's nowhere near as big, volume wise it's roughly the same as the prime C.725 meters in the official Star Trek Encyclopedia.
Much love to Mike Okuda
http://www.startrek.com/article/revised-expanded-trek-encyclopedia-out-oct-18
725m I am shocked I tell you shocked!
Not.
I find myself being a bit skeptical of the new E-A, but this is the only fair response, really. Motion really does change things.
We got all of one short shot at the end of the movie. Transitioning out of and into two bookending sequences that could have had a lot to do with the way that shot was animated.
For all we know, the low light level and glare were to hide the fact the middle isn't entirely rendered, at least not as much as the one earlier in the movie.
We'll see a more refined model in the fourth movie, which will look pretty much he same as it does now, just polished up. Don't worry, she'll look better in the right light with better angles.
For all we know, the low light level and glare were to hide the fact the middle isn't entirely rendered, at least not as much as the one earlier in the movie.
We'll see a more refined model in the fourth movie, which will look pretty much he same as it does now, just polished up. Don't worry, she'll look better in the right light with better angles.
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