Starship Size Argument™ thread

[F. King Daniel]

Left side of the saucer cutaway. It looks like the top windows match the top deck, but bottom two decks look like they go past the bottom edge.

Take a close look at the shape of the saucer underside in a front or profile view.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I was watching some YouTube videos when I happened upon an ad from the 1960s. In the ad, the narrator described the Enterprise as mammoth. Now, here we are discussing the new Enterprise, and this ship is mammoth. It's like what happened in drink sizes - how they got bigger and bigger to the point where a small now was what once considered a medium drink then. We Americans sure do love to oversize the crap out of everything.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Cut to about 13 minutes into this video for some shots and concept art of the gigantic hollow rear of the saucer, as well as the new engineering section.

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[Firebird]

Cut to about 13 minutes into this video for some shots and concept art of the gigantic hollow rear of the saucer, as well as the new engineering section.

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So, it sounds like the actual warp core section, as seen in STID, still exists? Since that rear engineering section should be aft of what we've seen before.

 

[drt]

I think it would be underneath that section, which seems to stretch from just under the pylons to the dorsal.

 

[Beyond Darkness]

Well, I'm dropping the mic on this one.

I took a screenshot from the trailer clearly showing Kirk and Chekov sliding down the saucer.
Extrapolating their size (about 2m) with the rest of the image, and then getting the distance of the bridge to the end of the saucer from another source, Star Trek Beyond CLEARLY shows that the hull is about 144m, which puts it in line with the size of the TMP refit.

Mic. Drop.

There are 2 issues when you are attempting to calculate the dimensions of a 3d object depicted at a 2d image.
The 1st one is depth of field: The closest the object is to the surface of your screen the larger it appears to be relative to its background and the opposite, the closest the object is to the background of reference the more accurate it is. Meaning that if Kirk and Chekov were closer to the bridge window they would be smaller and as a result they would take up less pixels. So, you underestimate the length of the green line (yet not by much).
The 2nd one is called perspective: When the object creates an angle with the level of your screen then what is depicted at your screen is no longer the dimensions of the object but the projections of those dimensions and the wider the angle is the smaller those projections become. Meaning that since the saucer creates an angle with the level of your screen the green line is not part of the radius of the saucer but part of the projection of that part of the radius of the saucer to your screen. So, by using that green line you underestimate the radius of the saucer.
However, even with those issues (that both produce underestimations) you still came up with a saucer radius of 144m and as result with a saucer diameter of 288m!!! In comparison the entire TOS Enterprise is approximately 280m!!!

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ I'm glad i'm not the only one who caught that

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Here is what Bryan Fuller and Rod Roddenberry have to say about the subject:

http://discovery.trekcore.com/galle...writers-room/bryan-fuller-rod-roddenberry.jpg

http://discovery.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/behind-the-scenes/writers-room/ship-wall-2.jpg

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ NICE!

 

[Kemaiku]

Well, there you go.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Star Trek Beyond's new engine room, looking forward and aft.

 

[Kemaiku]

Looking at all the rooms we know of;

* The Warp reactor in Into Darkness is in the direct center of the stardrive.
* The dilithium chambers in the first curve from the neck where we see them eject.
* That section where the nacelles connect further down the curve over the shuttlebay.
* The Shuttlebay is beneath this, with the pre-shuttle area from Pike's chat etc is between the reactor and bay.
* The "brewery" is basically the basement at the very botton of it all.
* The comms array and water turbine system are all between the reactor and deflector.

That's all meant to fit into a 300m ship?

With the nacelles swept back, she's three quarters of a kilometer long now.

 

[Anduril]

Beyond Darkness is right. The size of the ship is inconsistent. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling that the lenses that are used in filming make a difference.

 

[Kemaiku]

Onscreen, most of the Trek ships have had scaling issues. On paper, she's 725m long until the Beyond upgrade making her probably 750m.

The photo upthread from the Discovery office decor shows the scale of them all to each other and cements the size.

 

[shapeshifter]

The size of the ship is inconsistent.

These ship's are digital...

Onscreen, most of the Trek ships have had scaling issues.

Artistic License. They re-scale the ship(s) to look however is best for each given scene, and they don't care if the fans notice. Most people won't.

On paper, she's 725m long until the Beyond upgrade making her probably 750m.

The photo upthread from the Discovery office decor shows the scale of them all to each other and cements the size.

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[Anduril]

These ship's are digital...

Oh really?

 

[Kemaiku]

Even the models looked out of proportion when the camera didn't pan right or another frame was composited at the wrong scale over it.

These things have happened for the entire duration of scifi and they likely always will.

She's 700+ meters and the staff have stated that for the last 7+ years, Beyond goes out of it's way to show that one last time. Then again with the...newest addition to the fleet and the people walking around her saucer section as it's being constructed.

Seriously, they have little encampments on the hull, I saw this film on a big screen in HD and still missed them they're that freaking small compared to her. And she's no longer than the Beyond 1701, well within a few meters.

 

[Gonzo]

Even the models looked out of proportion when the camera didn't pan right or another frame was composited at the wrong scale over it.

These things have happened for the entire duration of scifi and they likely always will.

She's 700+ meters and the staff have stated that for the last 7+ years, Beyond goes out of it's way to show that one last time. Then again with the...newest addition to the fleet and the people walking around her saucer section as it's being constructed.

Seriously, they have little encampments on the hull, I saw this film on a big screen in HD and still missed them they're that freaking small compared to her. And she's no longer than the Beyond 1701, well within a few meters.

On screen she looks about the same size as the non A, give or take, can be tricky though with the saucer as it's bevelled which messes with perspective.

Can't wait until they release the full technical specs and cutaway diagrams.

 

[Gonzo]

Star Trek Beyond's new engine room, looking forward and aft.

That engineering section is huge, you could rack Defiant class ships in there never mind large shuttlecraft.

You can just do so much more with a larger ship.

 

[ancient]

It's clear they wanted to go with the idea of giant ships to make the movies more impressive to look at. These ships are less NASA and more Star Destroyer.