At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter (says the guy counting decks
). The Enterprise is a vehicle of the imagination and people are losing site of that when we have pissing matches over the minutiae.
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At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter (says the guy counting decks
). The Enterprise is a vehicle of the imagination and people are losing site of that when we have pissing matches over the minutiae.
It does, she's officially the biggest Starfleet/Federation ship ever made now. The Galaxy was phat, the Sovereign was longer but 1/8th the volume of her. The new Enterprise beats both.
And the Enterprise that replaces her in the new movie will be 900 meters long just to make sure.
And the Enterprise that replaces her in the new movie will be 900 meters long just to make sure.
I'm glad I'm not the only wanted who noted this point, because it's a rather odd argument. "There's no reason for X" could be applied to just about any Starfleet design. I have no problem with the nu-Enterprise being much larger because it was built to address a specific threat.
Also, I love the new schematic. What magazine is it in?
Exactly. The Armstrong, Newton, Mayflower and so on where all bigger than the original Enterprise by the scale given, and the Kelvin was enormous on her own. The saucer debris around Vulcan was from another vessel that was about 95% just saucer but bigger than all the others. (so about 400m on it's own?)
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NAH IT WAS THE DIAGRAMS!
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The problem is of course, that there is officially licensed material out there, that states sizes comparable to prime-universe ships of that time. The Starship Collection's Kelvin, for example, is given at 350 meters in length in the accompanying magazine. Revell says, their model of the Enterprise is 1:600 scale and 588 millimeters long, which puts the supposed length at 294 meters.
Although, Revell and scale on starship models...
Although, Revell and scale on starship models...
"Official" means the license holder collects cash on it. The material itself has no more weight than fan fiction.
BillJ is correct. It actually even mentions the source in the image... look under the first "S" in "Ship Spectacular".
More info here at The Trek Collective.
Yeah--its 700 meters.
The TAS ship--to have all those huge shuttlecraft--would have to scale out to about that big anyway.
I'd love to see the wider saucer on the one with a secondary hull with that double outline.
The TAS ship--to have all those huge shuttlecraft--would have to scale out to about that big anyway.
I'd love to see the wider saucer on the one with a secondary hull with that double outline.
Not the first cutaway of the NuTrek Enterprise I've seen. Check out http://www.michaelwileyart.com/portfolio/newenterprisecutaway.htm
I correctly guessed the positioning of the brewery and NIF engineering sections in mine 
Wow I come back and there are three or four rude comments on the first page - I guess I should expect this from the internet by now - but I always expect Trekkers to be more tolerant for some reason.
BTW, just to clarify for the nicer folks, I didn't write those annotations, it was from Ex Astris Scientia.
BTW, just to clarify for the nicer folks, I didn't write those annotations, it was from Ex Astris Scientia.
Merging this thread with the official Starship Size Argument™ thread, so that we have all our starship size arguments in one convenient location.For those who arn't familiar, some material put out in connection with the 2009 film suggested that the Enterprise from JJ Abrams movies was bigger than the Enterprise D - something that seemed a little unnecessary and gratuitous - and which didn't fit with the CGI model, which had been designed by the production team with the classic size in mind (i.e. the windows are about right for something around 300m).
Now a new schematic published in a magazine, seems to show a 300m Enterprise:
Looks like it has about 12 decks in the saucer section, like the original Constitution class.
Thankyou for listening, whoever made the schematics.
Any sense of the room moving you may notice will be only temporary.
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I didn't write that - its the opinion of Bernd Schnieder from Ex Astris Scientia - he has been analyzing starships for years, or maybe decades, on his site - a lot of people use his stuff - I agree with 90% of his conclusions, and they fit with prior opinions from like Mike Okuda and others pretty well - but I understand that "dwarfs without reason" is a highly subjective statement.
None of the personal potshots (placed in in bold) added anything of any worth to any of the points you had to make.
So why not just leave those out?*
* (Okay, @STEPhon IT may not click 'Like' on your post if the personal snark is omitted, but that seems a small price to pay, no?)
Going by the scale in the corner, if the Enterprise were only 300 meters would there even be room for that interior layout in the Franklin? She'd only be be about 40-50 meters long by my reckoning, and that's counting the nacelles.
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